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    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    Someone said in a post how the 'controlled shotgun bursts of chakra' doesn't explain Tsunade being able to lift Gamabunta's sword. I'll post what I see as the REAL reason, and not the canon reason: Kishi didn't think up the 'shotgun chakra' explanation till Part 2 to explain how Sakura also gained super strength. He probably originally intended for Tsunade to be naturally endowed with super strength back in Part 1.

    On the topic of whether Naruto will learn Hiraishin, I've got an interesting way to make that happen; Kishi could make it so that the scroll which Minato left behind(containing information of Naruto's seal) also contains the method of learning the Hiraishin. It wouldn't be far-fetched; afterall the same scroll from which Naruto originally learnt Kagebunshin also contained knowledge on how to break the Kyuubi Seal. It'd be somewhat comical and also give a sense of deja vu if he just popped out Hiraishin in a fight and reveal that he mastered it in a few hours/days while reading Minato's scroll.
    Dunno, I still ask myself why Kishimoto went away from this idea after the Kagebunshin scroll arc. He's done that with every other technique that naruto learns. But him learning Hiraishin through that scroll would definitely be a good idea but i doubt Kishi would make naruto learn it at this moment, especially if he has plans to prolong this manga. We all know how being strong too quick can screw up a manga(i.e Bleach).

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    Well, the whole additional strength deal is not really that big of a plot-hole in comparison to the whole mess regarding Itachi's age (or the time when he joined Akatsuki). Actually, there was a plot-hole before this. Not so long ago Killerbee snapped out from Tsukuyomi as if it was a regular genjutsu (i.e. he was helped by someone else to come back to his senses). However, that shouldn't have happened since only people with a Sharingan and Uchiha blood can resist Tsukuyomi; otherwise, there's no way to cancel it. Itachi and Kakashi said that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Obscuri View Post
    Well, the whole additional strength is not really that big of a plot-hole in comparison to the whole mess regarding Itachi's age (or the time when he joined Akatsuki). Actually, there was a plot-hole before this. Not so long ago Killerbee snapped out from Tsukuyomi as if it was a regular genjutsu (i.e. he was helped by someone else to come back to his senses). However, that shouldn't have happened since only people with a Sharingan and Uchiha blood can resist Tsukuyomi; otherwise, there's no way to cancel it. Itachi and Kakashi said that much.

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    "Resist" as in "counter." In the 8 tail's case, "dispelling" is something different.

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    @Jaggid
    Dante is right, no matter how you put it. THe Tsukiyomi dispel thing was kinda odd to me. Remember how they said only people with high taijutsu skills like Gai could finght against the Sharingan.
    There's nothing wrong with the Itachi's age, it thought it was defined already. Itachi always had an OLD MAN face ever since he was young. Especially for the two wrinkles on his face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJaggid View Post
    "Resist" as in "counter." In the 8 tail's case, "dispelling" is something different.
    Read what Kakashi said in chapter 257; he said there's no way to cancel the effects of it. Actually, read the page before that one. Chiyo was explaining they could dispel Itachi's genjutsu by having a second person help the one who was caught in it, then Kakashi said you cannot do that with Tsukuyomi.

    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    There's nothing wrong with the Itachi's age, it thought it was defined already. Itachi always had an OLD MAN face ever since he was young. Especially for the two wrinkles on his face.
    We were told Orochimaru left Akatsuki 10 years ago (I do not remember if we were told that in phase 1, or the current one); so, Itachi would have been either 7 or 10 years old back then. Itachi didn't meet Madara until he was assigned the mission to wipe the Uchiha clan, and that was by the time he was a member of ANBU; he was 13 years old by that time.
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    ^Just a minor point on the 2nd comment, but the last mention of Itachi meeting Madara at 13 was only claimed by Madara, and really doesn't make causal sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama View Post
    ^Just a minor point on the 2nd comment, but the last mention of Itachi meeting Madara at 13 was only claimed by Madara, and really doesn't make causal sense.
    oh no it makes a whole lot sense. Kishimoto messed up and created a plot hole. Kishimoto was telling the story through Madara.

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    @ the people who I've been talking to

    Kakashi said that not because it was impossible to dispel, but because the genjutsu's effect was so quick that they wouldn't have time to do it. In the 8 tails case, he had A TON of time to dispel it, since it is the [ox] inside of him that kicks him out of it it instead of someone outside of the genjutsu.

    Also, I've said this time and time again, do not believe in what Madara says. I'm positive there's a whole big lying theme that Kishi's trying to implant into the series, especially when concerning Madara. The first instance is in the story he fed Sasuke, the second is where he said that Sasuke wouldn't lose. The guy even lies to the members of Akatski when he pretended to be Tobi (presumably to heighten their spirits).

    Also, can someone tell me the chapter where Madara says the age that he recruited Itachi?
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    I dont really see the Tsukuyomi thing being a plot-hole, just ask yourself this did Itachi ever use it on a Jinchuuriki with full power over there Bijuu, has he ever used it on someone with such a huge chakra pool. Its like Amaterasu its said to constenly burn everything in its path for 7 days and 7 nights, yet Jiraiya sealed it away with a scroll and Madara put it out some how, and I bet Kakashi could send it to another dimension with his MS. No jutsu is the ultimate jutsu until its been up against all other jutsus and won. Right now the most powerful jutsu is Susanoo with Kirin and a half finished Rasen Shuriken behind, and look even when Itachi used it he was still damaged. there's always away out of a jutsu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Obscuri View Post
    We were told Orochimaru left Akatsuki 10 years ago (I do not remember if we were told that in phase 1, or the current one); so, Itachi would have been either 7 or 10 years old back then. Itachi didn't meet Madara until he was assigned the mission to wipe the Uchiha clan, and that was by the time he was a member of ANBU; he was 13 years old by that time.
    Wait, how do you know Itachi was 7 or 10 back then? Where has the manga ever said that Itachi was 17 or 20 years old of age?

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