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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadou-kou View Post
    thinking about, you're right. Neither Naruto or Sasuke are focused on each other now. We'll just have to see what happens when they encounter each other again. Can't wait to see how training with Pa boost Naruto's skills.
    I hope the boost is meaningful and not another variation/transformation.

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    ^It sure seems he´s gonna learn the Hermit Mode...I just hope he can do it without Ma and Pa...
    or we´ll get a surprise and he´ll learn something different....but don´t get put your expectations too high though...

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    Well Pa toad said that he was gonna train Naruto in Sage Arts not art more then one, and its been said already Pa's comparing Naruto to Pein not Sasuke. If Naruto learns Hermit Mode he will end up being able to do it with out Ma & Pa and due to the amount of chakra that Naruto has he will be much stronger then Jiraiya was in that form.

    The Rasen Shuriken is a forbidden jutsu because of what it does to Naruto's body but this is only in its incomplet stage, now I want to know do you think this is because its incomplete and that Naruto still hasn't been able to control the amount of chakra and wind element that goes into it, what I'm trying to say is do you think that it will have a worst effect when its complete or do you think this effect will go.

    People keep talking about how Naruto only knows one element and Sasuke knows two and that he needs to learn another one to be on Sasuke level, to me Naruto doesn't need another element he just needs to master the one he has. Asuma already said that wind element is the strongest offensive power for close and mid-ranged fights this is the type of fighter that Naruto is i cant picture Naruto doing fire, lightning or water jutsus earth maybe, but then again he's gonna go train with a toad, water might be in there. I really wanna see other people use elements just to take the focus of Naruto only knowing one and see what people have to say then.

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    The Kyuubi fought Orochimaru, not Naruto.
    Nitpicking on stuff...
    Plus, Sasuke has the cursed seal boosting his ass many of the fights, and probably also did on the 100 ninjas.. we never saw that from begin to end did we?
    We also don't know what are the passive effects of the seal, do we? so its even

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    Sasuke is now strong enough with just his new sharingan, don't think that he needs his curse seal anymore.

    As for Naruto, yeah, he did learn some mid-ranged to close-ranged jutsu but all this jutsu could hardly fight Sasuke who is a very good long-ranged fighter.

    As for Pa to personally train Naruto, well, it is sort of like, well, making Naruto into some what more powerful, but, would he be really strong enough to defeat Pein? Pein is totally in another level for Naruto.

    As for the secret message that Jiraiya wanted to convey, 'The Real One isn't with them', wounds like the real Pein is just behind while controlling the other six bodies fighting Jiraiya. That's possible, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius View Post
    Nitpicking on stuff...
    Plus, Sasuke has the cursed seal boosting his ass many of the fights, and probably also did on the 100 ninjas.. we never saw that from begin to end did we?
    We also don't know what are the passive effects of the seal, do we? so its even
    even? lol, im not going to even get on that one. U guys will never accept it for what it is, forever blinded by self-denial....

    Anyways so, the real pein is Nagato right? since one of the 6 Peins were Nagato or didnt even ressemble him. I'm still puttin my money that Pein is Nagato. And Pein does refer to Jiraiya as Sensei. Jiraiya has had 5 pupils: Minato, naruto and the 3 kids he meant(nagato, Konan and Yahiko).

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    So if Naruto goes frog mode then goes kyuubi will he be a fox frog?
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    Quote Originally Posted by artifice View Post
    My problem with Naruto as a character is that he really doesn't seem to have matured at all and he is actually much less interesting than he was in the first part of the series. In Part 1 Naruto was a goof but always managed to get it together when it mattered most. In Part 2 Naruto seems much less enduring, he seems to have kept his flaws from the first Part and lost a lot of what made him enduring earlier on. It really should have been the opposite, Naruto should have grown in maturity but kept and/or grown in his strong ideals and understanding. I was hoping to see Naruto grow to be more like the 4th or even more like Jiraiya. The time skip would have been a great time for Naruto to mature into a real ninja, not just in terms of his abilities but in terms of his ability to deal with situations. Sakura seems to have become far more mature and less dependent during her years under Tsunade, Naruto just seems more whiny and foolish. I don't expect Naruto to have more techniques than Sasuke, after all Sasuke has the Sharingan, it wouldn't make sense for him to have more techniques. Though, Naruto should have at least learned some new techniques, not just a minor upgrade of 1.

    All of the old ninja seem to have a vast number of techniques as well as a few signature moves of great power. I would like to see something similar for the younger characters as they are growing up. Kakashi has copied over 1000 jutsu, the Third was said to have learned and been capable of performing all the jutsu in Konoha, Jiraiya and Orochimaru have both shown more than a dozen different techniques, of various types, and that has always been implied as being just a small portion of their repertoires. I am not expecting the younger Ninja's to have that many yet of course but they should at least be shown as being on their way, Naruto isn't even close.

    I really hope that there is another time skip, I think that it is a necessity for the younger characters to logically get to where they need to be. Right now to compare Naruto with someone like Pain is beyond laughable, it took Naruto years just to get on the same page with Kakashi, for him to be in the same league with Pain is going to require an unprecedented amount of development. Even Sasuke, who is way ahead of Naruto at this point, wasn't even close to being on par with Itachi, even with the help of Orochimaru's power.

    I think that the series has made us underestimate Akatsuki and the more experienced characters like Orochimaru because they have been beaten but when looking closely, those characters always lost because they were at a significant disadvantage or because they were facing groups. Kakuzu is a perfect example, he only lost because he was surprise attacked, Hidan was tricked into using his ability against him, he was fighting half a dozen opponents, and he was underestimating his enemies. Hidan lost because Sikamaru had seen him fight and prepared well in advance. Hidan was the newest member of Akatsuki and seemingly the weakest, it seems like he was mainly valued because of his immortality and special Voodoo abilities, he doesn't seem like a well rounded fighter. If Shikamaru were up against Kakuzu he wouldn't have stood a chance. In the case of Sasori, he only lost because he was facing his grandmother/former instructor, and she and Sakura were both medial ninja. The antidote was another big help, if it weren't for Kankuro and Sakura hadn't been able to study the poison, both she and Chiyou would have died early in the battle. Chiyou even said that Sasori saw her last attack but he was conflicted because of the mother and father puppets. Also, he too was overconfident, that is why the puppet of the 3rd Kazekage was destroyed. In the case of Deidara, he was badly matched because of Sasuke's lightening ability and because the Sharingan was able to see his C4. Also, Sasuke had absorbed Orochimaru's powers which was another big help. In every case each of these characters were defeated not because they were weaker than their opponents but because they were disadvantaged. Now the higher up members of Akatsuki are seemly much stronger than the ones who have been killed, Itachi himself was clearly on a completely different level from the likes of Deidara and Orochimaru. Now Pain and Madara are presumably even stronger, not to mention Madara is the Mizukage and Pain is the leader of the Hidden Rain. I see no way for Naruto or the other younger characters to compete with that anytime soon. I really hope that there is another time skip in the not to distant future, frankly I think it is the only way to even the playing field to a reasonable level.
    Great post. Well thought out and I agree with you on most points.

    And for those who are annoyed about so many people expressing a similar opinion; it's not like they are spamming or posting flamebait. And just because I posted something similar in another thread doesn't mean I can't post it here as long it is also relevant to the topic of this thread. Or am I supposed to just link the previous posts and expect everyone to read those threads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Got killed View Post
    So if Naruto goes frog mode then goes kyuubi will he be a fox frog?
    Teh nine-tailed frog ftw!!!

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    ^ yeah you would think Kishi would try and not get those two animals combined into one person, a kyuubi+hermit mode would be freaky looking...
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