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    masterrabbit is offline Senior Member Well Known
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    Like mele-3-4 said, he used it to teleport himself AND Manda away from Deidara's final explosion.
    Sasuke doesnt have space time jutsu, he just hid inside manda while it "poofed" after being killed....like all summons do!

    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    Kirin can level a mountain. Naruto can't do anything like that unless he's in Kyubi mode. Rasengan and Rasenshuriken only work on one person at a time. Kage bunshins are useful but get destroyed very easily, just like in Part I.
    Kirin didnt level a mountain(only a little temple on a mountain) and it certainly not even a stronger jutsu than a Incomplete rasenshiruken, Not Even Susanoo would have survived a rasenshiruken, he would have been torn up chakra shield and all(because thats what the jutsu does)-Naruto wasnt even in kyuubi mode while doing ithe rasenshiruken and also the jutsu is incomplete, lets see if sasuke kirin can take a rasenshiruken ala VoTE.

    Also Kirin wouldnt work just anywhere it takes the right kind of weather, throwing fireballs into the air to cause thunderstorms wouldnt work all the time.
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    Also, the Rasenshiriken has a more devastating effect than the Kirin. You would be able to recover from the Kirin, but barely from the Rasenshuriken because that attack attacks at a miniscule level, slashing each individual cell, causing for permanent damage. Even Kakashi couldn't see the effect of the attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    9.Unknown short/medium range Space-time jutsu*
    Sasuke doesn't have this ability. Suigetsu SUMMONED the already dead Manda. Without Suigetsu or someone able to summon Manda, Sasuke would probably still be inside Manda's mouth.
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    he summoned the dying manda^
    and there is that unknown jutsu that orochimaru stopped him from doing.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by elnino19 View Post
    and there is that unknown jutsu that orochimaru stopped him from doing.....
    Wait, what was that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtrumIncendia View Post
    Wait, what was that?
    I think it was the Dragon fire jutsu needed to do kirin

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    ^naw, i don't think so. So what if Sasuke do that Dragon Fire jutsu(or whatever it's called) when he met Naruto? It's just another fire jutsu, no one will ever know that it's capable to create the Kirin.

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    Oh no, a stupid VS. Thread....


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    I'll start by introducing myself. I got hooked on anime two years ago, Naruto a month ago and I've been browsing these forums for a while now.

    One of the most heated discussions on the net about Naruto his whether Sasuke is getting a disproportionate amount of character and skill development in Part II and whether the title character is getting neglected in comparision. I'm in the camp that agrees to the above two points, but for the sake of neutrality, I decided to make up a table comparing both characters' skillsets and techniques, as of chapter 406.
    EDIT: And since I don't know how to post tables on this forum, I'll just list the comparable abiltities by number here. A star mark(*) indicates where a character has an advantage over the other.

    NARUTO:
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    1.Rasengan(and melee variations)

    2.Rasenshuriken<Not perfected yet.>

    3.<None. Hasn't mastered second element yet. May learn water jutsu.>

    4.Kage Bushin no Jutsu*

    5.Kyubi Transformation(1-3 tails)<Can be controlled, but can't be prevented from 'escalating' into 4-tail mode, hence avoided.>

    6.Kyubi Transformation(4 tails onwards)<Can't be controlled yet.>

    7.Toad Summoning*

    8.<None. Possibly this is where Itachi's power gift comes into play.>

    9.<None. May learn Hiraishin jutsu later.>

    10.Average taijutsu skills.

    SASUKE:
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    1.Chidori(and ranged derivatives)*

    2.Kirin*

    3.Katon Jutsu(and variations)*

    4.<None.>

    5.Curse Seal(Level 1-2)<Now lost.>

    6.Orichmaru/White Snake Powers<Now lost.>

    7.Snake Summoning<Manda is dead, but smaller snakes available.>

    8.Mangekyou Sharingan<Seeing eye, Ninjutsu, Genjutsu and Taijutsu techniques incuding Itachi's.>*

    9.Unknown short/medium range Space-time jutsu*

    10.Excellent taijutsu skills, also has Sword of Kusanagi*

    .....
    That's two points in Naruto's favour and five in Sasuke's. The situation looks bad for our main character.

    From the above, it seems that the notion of Naruto being unfairly underpowered does hold some truth(Although it's slightly less uneven now that Sasuke doesn't have the Curse Seal or the Orochimaru abilities). If Naruto must eventually surpass Sasuke(both to defeat him and to become capable of being able to 'change the world or destroy it' as per the prophecy) then the way I see it he'll have to master the Kyubi chakra AND complete Rasenshuriken AND learn to use a second element AND a useful space-time jutsu AND learn to counter the Mangekyou Sharingan.

    Any opinions? And please DON'T FLAME ME, Sasuke lovers. I'm just trying to look at the issue from a neutral standpoint.

    EDIT: By the way, despite the title(which I regret and am unable to change), I don't intend this to be a typical 'versus' thread about how either one will win against the other; with people posting stuff like '4 tail Kyubi will kick Sasuke's ass' and 'Naruto pwned by Sharingan'. I put it up to list and compare all their abilities and see exactly how much of an advantage either one has over the other and where; and how much more Naruto needs to grow.
    Was Naruto the main character?? really? I thought Sasuke was. Because from how Kishimoto makes Naruto look like the butt of jokes with skills set, i thought sasuke was the main character. Think about it, all of Naruto's jutsus are variation of two main jutsus: Rasengan and Kage Bunshin. The Odama Rasengan was so stupid, you dont even see Naruto use it anymore. While he gives Sasuke more arsenal, more lethal jutsus and smarter(effective) battle tactics. It seems Kishimoto gets dumb whenever it comes to creating something for naruto and it reflects in the character itself.


    Perfect example: Imagine Harry Potter(though i hate it) where Ron(Sasuke) is better than Harry(Naruto) in every category..... impossible right?? well ask kishimoto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EightBall View Post
    Oh no, a stupid VS. Thread....

    Read the OP first, will you? Despite the title, this thread is for comparing their abilities and judging whether Naruto is really underpowered.

    Quote Originally Posted by masterrabbit View Post
    Sasuke doesnt have space time jutsu, he just hid inside manda while it "poofed" after being killed....like all summons do!
    Quote Originally Posted by Deadmilkman2003 View Post
    Sasuke doesn't have this ability. Suigetsu SUMMONED the already dead Manda. Without Suigetsu or someone able to summon Manda, Sasuke would probably still be inside Manda's mouth.
    Naruto 363 page 14 | One Manga
    Yes, Sugetsu was the one who brought Manda back. But if this translation is accurate, Sasuke 'used a jutsu to fly into a different space' when inside Manda. And Manda took some damage from the explosion but didn't die till until a while later.

    Quote Originally Posted by masterrabbit View Post
    Kirin didnt level a mountain(only a little temple on a mountain) and it certainly not even a stronger jutsu than a Incomplete rasenshiruken,
    Only the temple? It was a pretty big rubble pile and it seemed to be at ground level....but even destroying that is beyond what Rasenshuriken
    can do.
    Naruto 341 page 017 | One Manga
    Small crater in comparision.

    Quote Originally Posted by masterrabbit View Post
    Not Even Susanoo would have survived a rasenshiruken, he would have been torn up chakra shield and all(because thats what the jutsu does)
    Nope. That jutsu destroys life on a cellular level. Susanoo is a spectral being. Besides why won't its mirror deflect the attack just like Kirin?

    Quote Originally Posted by masterrabbit View Post
    , lets see if sasuke kirin can take a rasenshiruken ala VoTE.
    Even if it could, Naruto would still get vapourised by the Kirin blast. Rasenshuriken, despite its name, is a melee attack. He'd have to touch the
    Kirin to slice it.

    Quote Originally Posted by masterrabbit View Post
    Also Kirin wouldnt work just anywhere it takes the right kind of weather, throwing fireballs into the air to cause thunderstorms wouldnt work all the time.
    Point taken. But the skies were relatively clear before the fight and it wasn't the season for rain or anything. i think if it's in the same country the weather will be suitable to try it.
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