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    AtrumIncendia is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by superman2x7 View Post
    Kakashi wouldn't stand a chance??? Are you kidding me? Kakashi is one of the strongest people in the Leaf. I would think of Tunsade was to some how die or leave, it would be Kakashi to the seat of Hokage.

    He was able to unlock the Mangeyko sharagin and hes not even a true Uchia. Plus his father was the great White Wolf i think, on par with the three sanin. On a serious one on one, Saskue would do good, but Kakashi would own him.
    Kakashi's injured, so he might be at a disadvantage. Also Kakashi doesn't have the body and chakra of an Uchiha so he'd be at a disadvantage against Sasuke. Also he only has one eye, with the Mangekyou, while Sasuke has two. The Sharingan quickly depletes chakra for those who are not Uchiha as Kakashi stated, so he'd have to keep up pretty quick, also Sasuke has Orochimaru inside him as a source.

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    ^^ wouldn't think so mate.. the way the manga is portraying Sasuke, he is currently a God with all those powerups, I don't think Kakashi would stand a chance.



    @atrum...
    didn't itachi completely rid Orochimaru from within sasuke?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoltBlader View Post
    @atrum...
    didn't itachi completely rid Orochimaru from within sasuke?
    Was it that, or the seal? I'm not really sure how either happened.

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    As far as I remember, the seal is dependent on Orochimaru. So i think Sasuke is rid of him. As far as Konoha goes, I have a reason to believe they stand a fighting chance. But it's a pretty small one and they can't afford mistakes. That aside, the Sharingan is something I absolutely hate for being so grossly overpowered that you are almost a god at the lowest levels. Do you guys have any idea how Kishimoto is going to bridge the ever widening gap between Naruto and Sasuke? Kyuubi's chakra won't work as Madara, if not Sasuke can tame it. But Naruto's own chakra is stronger. As for touching Madara, I think its possible using Hiraishin. i mean, that technique can hardly be just a glorified version of the regular Shunshin. Thus, the real question is what attacking technique is effective against these two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel. G View Post
    I wonder, he has these fucked up eyes, susano, amaterasu, tsukuyomi and kirin. My question is if he can actually go against and win vs konoha's jounins. Sure he is formidable and shining full of anger and crying for the first time since his clans slaughter, but i cant help but think of the epic battles with some hard core jounins. Think of all the jounins we barely know and asuming it gets to that i want to see kakashi's magnekyo vs sasuke's and kurenai's genjitsu vs sasuke's tsukuyomi. When you think of all this don;t you get all excited?!?! These and more could potentially be some of the best battles (pupill vs teacher tend to be fucked up, 3rd vs oro being one of them).

    What do you guys think?
    Team Hawk + Tobi v Konoha would probably result in Hawk's win. Considering Kakashi and Tsunade are the "strongest" in the village, Team Hawk could probably wipe the floor with them. Sasuke could eat Kakashi alive, with his speed equalling Itachi's and now a overpowered doujutsu that would put Kakashi's to shame. Tobi being around would help in that purpose as well.

    HOWEVER, there are 2 factor we're forgetting: 1) ANBU. ANBU is supposed to be comprised of the village's true strongest ninjas and no one (aside from the Hokage) knows of their true abilities. In addition, there's the whole ANBU ROOT factor to consider. 2) We still don't know how Madara lost to Hashirame all those years ago with his EMS. Do you really think Konoha hasn't prepared countermeasures from the 1st's strategy, especially considering the village's resurfaced suspicions in recent years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raszagal View Post
    I think you guys are forgetting the Kyuubi? Its clear that Madara/Sasuke want to use that in their mission against Konoha, they are now both in possion of EMS (Well, it isnt provent that Sasuke got it, but that the general opinon for now) And with the EMS they shall have controll over probably the most powerfull being.
    I didn't notice this, but it only makes a little sense. Tobi and Pain are working together, but if Kyuubi was all Tobi wanted, then why the deal with Akatsuki's statue? We've been lead to think the statue has to do with Pain's personal goal. If Tobi himself had a role in the usage of Akatsuki's statue, then he won't use the kyuubi. Otherwise, if they do end up trying to do it, I'll be hoping for some Pain v Tobi combat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raszagal View Post
    There are still members of Akatsuki left, 6 people with the rinnengan, and Konan and Kisame. All those together with the kyuubi in a frontal assualt can only mean bad news for Konoha/rest of the world.
    Can't forget Zetsu.
    Quote Originally Posted by AtrumIncendia View Post
    Yeah, think about it. There are still casualties from the last war. Also Kakashi is injured. All the other ninjas are shit compared to Akatsuki and Hawk.
    True.
    Quote Originally Posted by Raszagal View Post
    Chapter 352, page 10-11. Probably nothing, but I just thought it was weird..
    Kishi never adds a mystery that amounts to nothing. It will come back to bite us eventually if we let it slip.
    Quote Originally Posted by BoltBlader View Post
    I think there is a slight underestimation of Konoha going on here, there will be help from the other allied nations, i doubt Akatsuki and Eagle would eliminate them in the blink of an eye, but i bet there are other really high level ninjas that we haven't even seen yet. It would take a lot of chakra for Eagle and Akatsuki just to take over the village and fight each single individual ninja.

    The village do have the advantage in the dynamics, numbers, and chakra. Let's say a bunch from shikamaru's clan used that shadow hold technique, and the rest of the village just mobs them, but then again that would make for a boring fight.
    I agree with you on the underestimation of Konoha. I mentioned ANBU and countermeasures already, but we are also underestimating the diverse powers and raw number the village has.
    The thing we have learned about village politics is that the faces we know and associate with power (i.e hokage) doesn't correlate with the strongest in the village, especially when they are old. The village is run by the wise, not the strong. The younger generation has to supersede the previous generation's strength and maintain their competence for a while before the older generation makes room for them in Konoha's administration. During sandaime's tenure as hokage, all of his students eventually surpassed him. But it took 2 generations to find a successor because the Sannin weren't needed for administration while Sandaime's was alive. But yondy's was as Sandaime's admin grew really old.
    Quote Originally Posted by superman2x7 View Post
    Kakashi wouldn't stand a chance??? Are you kidding me? Kakashi is one of the strongest people in the Leaf. I would think of Tunsade was to some how die or leave, it would be Kakashi to the seat of Hokage.
    He was able to unlock the Mangeyko sharagin and hes not even a true Uchia. Plus his father was the great White Wolf i think, on par with the three sanin. On a serious one on one, Saskue would do good, but Kakashi would own him.
    Kakashi is a joke next to Itachi and even Sasuke. Hell, if he says Naruto has surpassed him, you know that his wiseness, reputation, and weak sharingan skills won't stand a snowball's chance in hell against Sasuke.
    Quote Originally Posted by isildur View Post
    As far as I remember, the seal is dependent on Orochimaru. So i think Sasuke is rid of him.
    Sasuke was rid of him the instant his seal disintegrated after Itachi killed Oro.

    Quote Originally Posted by isildur View Post
    That aside, the Sharingan is something I absolutely hate for being so grossly overpowered that you are almost a god at the lowest levels. Do you guys have any idea how Kishimoto is going to bridge the ever widening gap between Naruto and Sasuke? Kyuubi's chakra won't work as Madara, if not Sasuke can tame it. But Naruto's own chakra is stronger.
    Only way to match a hack is with another hack. The Uchiha duo's power promises hacks coming for Konoha now. And Kyuubi still looks like a good candidate for that.

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    Wow i can't believe how many of you here doubt Kakashi. We have yet to see Kakashi go all out. I still believe that hes the most powerful ninja in Konoha next to Tunsade.

    Yes he said in charka that Naruto has surpassed him, however that means jack. If Kakashi can manage his chakra well enough then thats not a problem. Naruto who has all the chakra in the world still couldn't defeat certain enemies, charka is important but its not the biggest factor in a fight.

    I really can't believe you guys and gals are doubting Kakashi
    "Wait and Hope" -Gankutsuou

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    ^He didn't only say Naruto's chakra surpassed his (by 2x minimum, according to him, and potentially 100x), but he said Naruto had surpassed him as a ninja after FRS. He's always been a powerful ninja, and has upgraded since losing to Itachi with his own Mangekyo, but if you go on an element by element comparison, Sasuke would be the clear winner. The truth of the matter is, Kakashi is old and lacks the supernatural chakra capacity given to the Kyuubi and the Uchiha.

    And don't try to argue his own admission that Naruto surpassed him means jack. Kakashi manages his chakra to the max, but he only has a normal body. He can only manage 1-3 uses of MS before fainting, and overuse of even the regular sharingan results in his fainting (have you noticed that the only battle he hasn't fainted at was the fight with Kakuzu?).

    I can't believe you're so blinded by Kakashi's flashiness and relative awesomeness among the Konoha crowd that you can't see his relative skill in context of true badasses such as the Akatsukis.

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    ^ that's kind of sad....kakashi is like 29 and he's already outdated compared to akatsuki and sasu/naru.

    compared to regular ninja, kakashi is almost godly, but when faced with akatsuki, he's still on the lower end of the S rank ninjas. It makes me wonder how strong were sandaime and the sannin when they were in their prime.

    poor kakashi....doomed to the mediocre path of krillin,yamcha, tien, etc.....

    tho' as for hawk v.s konoha, hawk and akatsuki cant deal with every clan from the village at once. Hyuuga's byakugan can counter genjutsu for one thing.....( or at least they say it's immune to genjutsu....) and ANBU, though I think ROOT would turn traitor at that opportunity. Or it could be like star wars where all of ANBU turns against the village....

    meh....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heartlessfang View Post
    compared to regular ninja, kakashi is almost godly, but when faced with akatsuki, he's still on the lower end of the S rank ninjas. It makes me wonder how strong were sandaime and the sannin when they were in their prime.
    Sandaime had to be godly, considering he took out both Shodaime and Nidaime teamed up on him when he was an old geezer. Jiraiya was an upper S-rank, as we saw how close he got in the Pain fight, and Oro was at least
    a mid-level S-rank. We don't know about Tsunade yet, but at the moment she looks like a lower-level S-rank, like Kakashi.
    Quote Originally Posted by Heartlessfang View Post
    poor kakashi....doomed to the mediocre path of krillin,yamcha, tien, etc.....
    No no no. Kakashi=Roshi. Far from mediocre, see? I'm waiting for you Steal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama View Post
    Sandaime had to be godly, considering he took out both Shodaime and Nidaime teamed up on him when he was an old geezer. Jiraiya was an upper S-rank, as we saw how close he got in the Pain fight, and Oro was at least
    a mid-level S-rank. We don't know about Tsunade yet, but at the moment she looks like a lower-level S-rank, like Kakashi.

    No no no. Kakashi=Roshi. Far from mediocre, see? I'm waiting for you Steal.
    Jiraya was as strong as the best of Akatsuki. Itachi confirmed this in the Tsunade arch when they had to lead him away from Naruto despite the fact that Itachi had his mangekyo techniques and Kisame had his great chakra and strength. I`m sure that Jiraya would beat Akatsuki members such as Kisame, Deidara, Hidan, Kakuzu and Sasori (he also defeated Konan in a matter of seconds, remember?). I`m sure Itachi would end up using at least Amaterasu against him (which is also what he did in the toad's stomach). So he was more than S-class, but so is Pain.

    About Orochimaru, I think he's about Jiraya's level too and were one of the better Akatsuki's until Itachi came and defeated him with his sharingan. Orochimaru still has time to grow even stronger as well within Kabuto.

    Kakashi was far worse Orochimaru before he unlocked his mangekyo. After the time skip he's
    still weaker than Orochimaru, but would put up with a fight.

    And as far as Naruto goes, I don't think Kakashi meant that he would become a greater ninja than Kakashi by developing the new technique. Kakashi still has the brains that Naruto is lacking and a variety of jutsus. Naruto surpassed him in technique though as he learned to create a jutsu that no one else could do, and he did it in a very short time.

    While Sasuke is S rank, Naruto probably still is A rank (without Kyuubi chakra).

 

 
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