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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion4ever View Post
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    ^thats right!! nobody is allowed to criticize kishimoto
    for he is god
    you scum should learn to appreciate his awesomeness
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    Now you are going to far

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    konoha to blame..............
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeyITZthatFC View Post
    Yes but just because he's the leader doesn't mean he follows the same intentions he gave his pawns.

    Right now Madara's intentions are clouded for now, but we have learned a lot more about Madara that makes him look a little better.
    Madara wants to restore his former power that same power he used against shodai, and that same power mysteriously attacked the leaf 16 years ago. So we we sure as hell know he won't be using that power for the good of the leaf village. The only thing we don't know is what exactly does he want with sasuke, but i can pretty much guarantee it won't be good

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    i dont get why kishi didnt finish of pein first before this all >.<


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    Quote Originally Posted by Heartlessfang View Post
    I might be completely off base here, just going by Jiraiya's words..... but.....didn't he say that the kyuubi's attack on konoha was a deliberate summon? I was thinking that maybe madara planned to cause the uchiha to revolt by staging the attack and have them take all the blame.
    This is exactly what I was thinking when I read the chapter, and realized that this is the first blatant lie from Madara the readers can disprove. The precarious circumstances surrounding Yondaime's delay to the kyuubi battle and his subsequent sealing of it in Naruto and the key more or less guarantees the truth of Jiraiya's insight.
    Quote Originally Posted by mele-3-4 View Post
    exept for pein, konan (was that her name?) zetsu and itachi it seems the others are in the dark
    Tell me, how many of those "others" are still alive? Only Kisame, and he likely knows by now because of the unelaborated fight he was involved in.
    Quote Originally Posted by soulz-blade View Post
    there is another question, what happened to the rest of the senju clan? did they lose power and are not famous anymore? why havent we heard much about them before?
    it doesnt seem like they have any successors
    I read a theory that makes sense in this scenario. Only Hashirame had the mokuton ability, but the clan was made of an assortment of other tribes and clans. This would explain why mokuton never passed generation 1, how the group that later became Konoha included so many clans, how Hashirame became hokage (since he'd have majority support of most of the pluralities), and how the Uchiha so easily became 'dogs' of Konoha.
    Oh, and for the record, I think Madara was paranoid about the Senju betraying them. If the village was made of an assortment of clans, as it was (speaking of which, we haven't heard anything of the Hyuuga yet), then clan boundaries should have been ignored and devalued. However, the Uchiha were the proudest clansmen we have seen, and people like Madara would take any reduction in power as an attempt to usurp their power.
    Quote Originally Posted by artifice View Post
    The point I am getting at, is that much of what we have been led to believe, about the reasons behind certain actions of major groups and characters, is being called into question...
    I don't really see why you're surprised by this, considering this is fairly typical of Kishi now. All the pre-mortem reflections and presentation of small scenes that reveal behavior that is supposedly out of character for people show that impressions aren't reality (anyone remember Itachi's "reality is what you make of it?"). We knew earlier through the Hyuuga negociations that Konoha wasn't led by a pristine or pacific government, and that Sandaime doesn't reflect the sentiments of the Konoha founders or even the village in that he is softer than them, and ultimately can do very little to stop their militancy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by artifice View Post
    In terms of Madara that is true, however, I was referring more towards the motives and reality behind the major actions of the characters in question as well as Konoha, Uchiha, etc. The point I am getting at, is that much of what we have been led to believe, about the reasons behind certain actions of major groups and characters, is being called into question. For example, we were led to believe that Itachi killed his clan out of selfishness, that now seems unlikely. Madara too, is claiming that his actions were for the good of his clan and also that he was not behind the Kyuubi attack on Konoha. That doesn't make what either of them did right necessarily but it does make their choices more justifiable.

    Ultimately, I don't think that Madara is as noble as he is making himself out to be, however, I am beginning to question his role in the big picture. Madara's story has already differed from Itachi's in many ways, whether that is due to a lack of information on Itachi's part or Madara twisting the story, is still uncertain. Madara's reasons for forming Akatsuki are still a mystery as well but I think there is quite likely more to it than the goals previously described by Pain. It is true that Madara is still the leader of Akatsuki and he is giving the orders to gather the Bijuu. Though it has already been shown that there is a great deal of discord and deception within Akatsuki itself. I think these last few chapters have strongly indicated that the sides are not as clearly drawn as they originally seemed.
    I'd say on the Madara and Itachi being different that while Madara only wanted power and glory for the Uchiha, Itachi was one of the few real leaf members of the clan in question, as he according to Madara did what he did on orders from the village.
    This might just be some ploy that Madara uses too turn Sauske against the village and not just neutral towards it, as he'll blame the full village and not only Itachi. But might be to make him see a fuller picture. If it has any truth in it we won't know until we see the heads of Konoha discuss it.

    But with the information we see now we can concude that Madara was the selfish, as he cared about his clan, wanting it too stand above the other clans, while Itachi, for all it was as to test himself, is the unselfish Uchiha doing it for the greater good of the village, while taking full blame of destroying one of it's biggest clans and a great power. Thus getting wanted poster in the bingobook.

    For the fox attack 16 years ago I won't say anything until we have more than statements from two people. Even tho J. might be correct, but it might be a third power who could have summoned it (just too mess things up further).

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    For the fox attack 16 years ago I won't say anything until we have more than statements from two people. Even tho J. might be correct, but it might be a third power who could have summoned it (just too mess things up further).
    Hadn't thought of it, but it is quite plausible.
    Actually, now that you mention it...
    Don't you think it's peculiar that we met multiple jinchuuriki of around the same age? That means the biju were still roaming around 16-18ish years ago or were unsealed en masse during the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarsDeman View Post
    I'd say on the Madara and Itachi being different that while Madara only wanted power and glory for the Uchiha, Itachi was one of the few real leaf members of the clan in question, as he according to Madara did what he did on orders from the village.
    This might just be some ploy that Madara uses too turn Sauske against the village and not just neutral towards it, as he'll blame the full village and not only Itachi. But might be to make him see a fuller picture. If it has any truth in it we won't know until we see the heads of Konoha discuss it.

    But with the information we see now we can concude that Madara was the selfish, as he cared about his clan, wanting it too stand above the other clans, while Itachi, for all it was as to test himself, is the unselfish Uchiha doing it for the greater good of the village, while taking full blame of destroying one of it's biggest clans and a great power. Thus getting wanted poster in the bingobook.

    For the fox attack 16 years ago I won't say anything until we have more than statements from two people. Even tho J. might be correct, but it might be a third power who could have summoned it (just too mess things up further).
    About Madara being selfish that is bit harsh, I mean he is the clan leader so he has to look out for the clan's best interest. I mean if you remember that
    Uchiha was equal the Senju clan at the start. I am putting emphasis on equal . After Madara supposed death the Uchiha were given a supposed sign of trust as being the military police , but then they would have little say about the governing of the village.
    My point is that the clan that was once the most feared and respected became nothing more then troops for a village that they do not control.

    Also I agree that Madara wants all the hate Sasuke felt for Itachi against Konoha.

    About the kyuubi attacking the village did anyone every consider that the kyuubi could have attacked out of its own will. It not a tool you know it can think for itself. My guess is that it wanted to attack the village briefly then retreat so that the Uchiha clan would take the blame and be eradicated
    Then the kyuubi would never worry about being controlled again.

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    ^If we really are gonna use far out theories, how about this. Who was the ones to assign the clan as police force, so they could be watched. Danzou and the advisers (Hokage?). Who was it that always disliked the Uchiha, planted a spy. How about Konohas own goverment was responsible for the kyuubi attack on Konoha, with the sole purpose of having Itachi eradicat the clan.

    Offcause the theory is BS and only wrote it to amuse myself^

    Nut for now, we "gotta" believe what Madara is saying, theres no other way we, as the reader, can get true information about the plot.

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    I liked most of this chapter, but the Hokages remaining mostly as saints (or at least the 3rd did).


 

 
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