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    mele-3-4 is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    Another thing to consider with this possibility is that poison can also cause blindness before death.
    do you think it is a possibility that when we saw through itachi's eyes to see sasuke, it wasnt the MS causing his vision to be so bad but is was the poison starting to take effect and this was a clue?





    @ levu: you have know idea how old the obito theory is -_- like seriously the last chapter discussion was pretty much about obito=madara

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    Quote Originally Posted by mele-3-4 View Post
    do you think it is a possibility that when we saw through itachi's eyes to see sasuke, it wasnt the MS causing his vision to be so bad but is was the poison starting to take effect and this was a clue?
    YES! And before any of you start saying it was the effect of his MS, this blurred vision of Sasuke was shown before Itachi used any of the MS jutsu.
    On a side note, I also confirmed that the crater assertion was wrong when I found another big crater in the room during the Sasuke fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Levu View Post
    I got a teorie.. Might be easy to prove otherwise but im to lazy to re-read the 100 last chapters of the manga..

    I don't think Tobi is madara at all.. Since madara had supposibly gained a better and (if im not totaly wrong) permanent Mangeqou sharigan. So why does toby run around with the regular one then?
    Well, what i think is that Tobi is Kekashi's old friend.. As how he only shows half his face.. (right eye), while kekashi got left eye rasengan.. I don't remember how all that shit happened, but i remember his friend dying, and kekashi needed another eye.. But was it ever totaly proven that he died?

    well, just my thought since madara supposably got a alot better sharingan..

    Sorry for spelling mistakes etc ..
    And please don't flame me just cuz it does not fit what you think.. but i don't mind getting proven wrong, since the story is the story.. And i will find out if im right or wrong later on anyway :P
    Get.the.fuck.out.of.my.thread. And read the rules. If you want to post your own theory, put it in it's own thread so that we can all flame it and flame you. Don't ruin my thread!

    Also, to answer some older responses:
    Quote Originally Posted by Henchy432 View Post
    Pain was thought of as the leader of the Akatsuki. I don't know, if Itachi knew Tobi was pulling the strings. If Itachi had gotten little bro's eyes, he could of been major trouble for everyone.
    Dunno about this one. We weren't aware of Itachi having any ambitions other than seeking to surpass Madara. So aside from Madara, Itachi could have ultimately had no affect on Akatsuki.

    Also, if Itachi didn't know Madara was pulling Akatsuki's strings, then how would he have entered Akatsuki while he was still in Konoha (remember, he joined Ak at age 11).

    Quote Originally Posted by gummyworms View Post
    i dont get why u keep on bringing up Pein. Pein had to go after Naruto because Itachi has failed like 2 times trying catch/wound Naruto. Pein being the strongest akatsuki ignoring madara is fitting to fight the strongest tailed beast along with the fact that Naruto has become a lot more powerful than when Itachi tried to capture him.
    blah blah blah Pain Pain Pain is awesomeness.
    Everything else you mentioned could be true, just get rid of the Pein part. If Itachi had gotten the eternal MS he would essentially become Madara back when he used to be powerful, so naturally Madara had to make him go away
    Pain is a better fighter than Itachi, but that doesn't explain why he would be assigned on the mission. Don't you think it is strange that Naruto happens to be the first jinchuuriki Pain was assigned to? And also, if Pain's strength is as important as his identity (which it is clearly not), then why wouldn't Pain be responsible for capturing all of the jinchuuriki rather than delegating it to weaker criminals who could get killed, as they did?
    There was obviously something new or important at risk to need Pain to start personally hunting jinchuuriki.
    Also look at artifice's 1st post.
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    YES! And before any of you start saying it was the effect of his MS, this blurred vision of Sasuke was shown before Itachi used any of the MS jutsu.
    yay !!!! i feared i was about to be flamed for saying that, thank god

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    Quote Originally Posted by mele-3-4 View Post
    yay !!!! i feared i was about to be flamed for saying that, thank god
    yeah that does sound possible, I think someone else said this, but what is the reason for poisoning him? Who did it and what would be their motive? I don't see it. Who would like to clear it up for me?

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    ^I think we're going to have to wait it out a little bit more before we can deduce the answer or have the answer revealed to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raszagal View Post
    Maybe because Madara wanted Sasuke to do it. That he wanted Sasuke to develop further and perhaps Madara got plans for Sasuke within the Akatsuki. Sounds stupid, but Madara wanting sasuke to kill Itachi is a part of his plan, and its only a matter of time before he reveals it to us.
    Actually, that sounds plausible

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    ^Most of the stuff is generically agreeable, except for the part about Sasuke working within Akatsuki. Considering that Sasuke was intelligent enough to discern Madara's power and made his goal to kill Madara after Itachi, I doubt he would be keen to ally with him. Also, since Madara was a main component and probably was the true mastermind behind the massacre of his entire clan, I would imagine his hate for Madara potentially surpassing his hate for Itachi, though in a less personal way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama View Post
    YES! And before any of you start saying it was the effect of his MS, this blurred vision of Sasuke was shown before Itachi used any of the MS jutsu.
    That may be, however, the theory seems to disregard the point that Itachi's vision had already gotten significantly worse. Also Itachi had just revealed that the Mangekyou Sharingan causes a progressive decent in vision from the time it is first awakened, I assumed that panel was there to illustrate that point. While Itachi's weakness certainly could be a symptom of poison, I think his blurred vision was indeed caused by the Mangekyou Sharingan.

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    If poison did play a role in Itachi's blindness, I think it more likely just accelerated the process. While Itachi's eye sight was definitely bad, too me, it didn't seem bad enough to justify him going blind so quickly. Of course that is just a guess on my part, I don't really know how much vision is lost per use. Though it did seem like an extreme drop considering he awakened the Mangekyou several years prior and his vision had only dropped to the point shown in chapter 386. Based on the frequency he is shown using it in the past, it just seems like a big change to go from being able to identify Sasuke's face from a few meters to being completely blind in 4 moves.

    More relating to the main thread topic as a whole. I found it extremely odd that Itachi would have so much trouble defeating Sasuke when he was expecting him to have the Mangekyou Sharingan himself and he had been planing this event for so long. I find it hard to believe that he would overestimate himself so much and misjudge how much his failing eyes would affect him. This alone makes me certain that something else must have added to his extremely weakened state. There is just no way someone of Itachi's intelligence would make such a monumental miscalculation.

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    I think that Tobi could have poisoned Itachi prior the Sauske fight when they were in the forrest. It really wouldn't be that hard to have a small needle coated with poison hit him then... provided he had the oppertunity. Yes, I'm calling him Tobi, not Madara because I don't think he is Madara.

    I agree with artiface as well with the poison accelerating Itachi's blindness. However, some people know who someone is without clearly seeing them because they know how that person acts. Itachi might be reconizing Sauske by that alone, or his eyesight might just be fading due to extream stress or fatigue.

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    really a good theory. I think we all suspected something was wrong with Itachi, but this is really quite solid.

    Poisoning really fits the description pretty well, and I think that there's a lot more to the story that we'll have to find out later.

    And I really want to know what Itachi told Sasuke before collapsing.

 

 
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