Thread: Chapter 395

Good chapter, and I like how Kakashi reconized the implications of the space/time jutsu and Tobi's right eye. The Aloe Vera line was good as well as when Kiba jumped ahead of every one (after all he is supposed to be almost as bad as Naruto for that).

Okay, as far as the whole Tobi=Obito thing: what do you think is going on in Kakashi's head right now? He doesn't know anything about any survivors of the Uchiha clan outside of Sauske and Itachi. Now all of the sudden someone with a sharingan appears before him, confims that both Itachi is dead, and that Sauske is laying beside him (apparently alive, but not for long from what I could tell), and then desided to (by the set up) dissapear using time/space jutsu from a sharingan. To top that off, he only (apparently) has his right eye.

Itachi's eyes seemed to have powers that had a relationship to each other. We have seen Kakashi use his MS power, which is a space/time jutsu that seems to implode the target. So to me it seems that Kakashi will connect the dots (despite being lazy he is a prodogy) and come to the logical conclusion that Tobi=Obito. Also if this is indeed the case, then he will tell them (or at least Naruto and Sakura) about his past and Obito.

For those of you who are saying you need a good reason for this to be true, well how about this (and yes it does fit in with the type of manga Naruto is): The case of Obito knowing of Madara is slim to none. He would know the legends that weren't hidden, unless he stumbled on them (a major trouble maker/joker like him... more likely than with most). He has close bonds with several people and has a Sauske/Narutoish relationship with Kakashi, which he treasures. We all know what happens to Obito right away, first major mission: he dies under a rockfall, and has the sharingan from his left eye given to Kakashi to replace his missing eye. When he is about to die, if he gives up on these relationships, it could potentialy mean that he gained his MS, even if he didn't know what the requirements were. Now the only question in this is if it really is his MS that allows him to 'port. If no, then this is garbage.

The major plus to this idea of mine is that it still gives Tobi a reason to go for Sauske: a new pair of eyes. I don't think he cares if it has the MS or not, but this way he can get two new eyes, and only had to delay some "small fry" for a few minutes (I say small fry because of his 'porting abilities). I mean, only one person to deal with who can't even fight you... and then you get 20/20 vision with the sharingan. Good deal.

I don't think Tobi is Obito. We already know Tobi is Madara, and I don't think Madara is possessing Obito or anything, for one simple reason. Obito got crushed under a heavy rock, probably wrecking half his body, and if I were some body-jumping dude, I wouldn't possess someone with only one working half of their body.

Originally Posted by ranteil

Okay, as far as the whole Tobi=Obito thing: what do you think is going on in Kakashi's head right now? He doesn't know anything about any survivors of the Uchiha clan outside of Sauske and Itachi. Now all of the sudden someone with a sharingan appears before him, confims that both Itachi is dead, and that Sauske is laying beside him (apparently alive, but not for long from what I could tell), and then desided to (by the set up) dissapear using time/space jutsu from a sharingan. To top that off, he only (apparently) has his right eye.

Itachi's eyes seemed to have powers that had a relationship to each other. We have seen Kakashi use his MS power, which is a space/time jutsu that seems to implode the target. So to me it seems that Kakashi will connect the dots (despite being lazy he is a prodogy) and come to the logical conclusion that Tobi=Obito. Also if this is indeed the case, then he will tell them (or at least Naruto and Sakura) about his past and Obito.

thats very presumptuous of you.. so you saying that because there's someone with only one right sharingan - kakashi's gonna assume it's someone he actually SAW dying..
rrrrigght something about that is very presumptuous ¬_¬
first of all his jutsu is completely differnt from kakashis.. well they sure fall into the same category but they're without a doubt different
there's also no way kakashi's going to draw that conclusion! because he doesn't now anything about it in the first place
furthermore.. it was a whole clan! so if there are survivors kakashi knows nothing of them since he isn't even an uchiha.. and now seeing someone with one eye and drawing the conclusion that it's the friend he saw dying... i don't know ... that logic sounds messed up
ofcourse.. it's a shonen manga.. so objectively you ARE right.. but we're talking about conclusions kakashi might draw! hence it's seems unlikely to me

Originally Posted by ranteil

For those of you who are saying you need a good reason for this to be true, well how about this (and yes it does fit in with the type of manga Naruto is): The case of Obito knowing of Madara is slim to none. He would know the legends that weren't hidden, unless he stumbled on them (a major trouble maker/joker like him... more likely than with most). He has close bonds with several people and has a Sauske/Narutoish relationship with Kakashi, which he treasures. We all know what happens to Obito right away, first major mission: he dies under a rockfall, and has the sharingan from his left eye given to Kakashi to replace his missing eye. When he is about to die, if he gives up on these relationships, it could potentialy mean that he gained his MS, even if he didn't know what the requirements were. Now the only question in this is if it really is his MS that allows him to 'port. If no, then this is garbage.

i actually agree on that one... it IS slim to none
and more like stumble on them... they squashed him in form of a rock

Originally Posted by ranteil

The major plus to this idea of mine is that it still gives Tobi a reason to go for Sauske: a new pair of eyes. I don't think he cares if it has the MS or not, but this way he can get two new eyes, and only had to delay some "small fry" for a few minutes (I say small fry because of his 'porting abilities). I mean, only one person to deal with who can't even fight you... and then you get 20/20 vision with the sharingan. Good deal.

he had itachi all this time... why does he need sasuke?
itachi was a genius, obito was an idiot
sasuke couldn't compare to itachi.. even in the end he won because of sth madara did to itachi.. if it's about the unique abilities of the MS ... madara doesn't know anything of sasukes abilities...
i think your reasoning is full of holes

Rawr. Now I can't wait for next week to see Tobi beast it up with the Sharingan.

Maybe Tobi (possibly) could be Obito.

the obito marada theory got 50/50 again yet i hear onlyones beliving in obito getting agrued with 8( while the marada theory is really the stupidest one of em all and every one is beliving it, its like its already true, well obito beeing tobi is more likely to be 'already true' if you look at it.

>_> come on man you heared maradas name 3 times now you think some dude with no name has to be marada, its lamer then beliving the 1 eye, sharingan stuff pisses me of so much

If tobi is obito then he used the oro mind switch thing.

Tobi covers up his body and face maybe to hide all the scars obito has on his body.

It would explain why madara doesn't have MS, just regular sharingan.

Maybe the fourth kicked his ass and he had to switch bodies in order to save himself, ala orochimaru, and obitos crushed body was what he could use because it had uchiha blood and the sharingan.

I suggested this but i don't want it to be true.

It be easier to think he was just severely weakened by the 4th 16 years ago.

I hope tobi=obito theory is dissproven soon.

Originally Posted by ranteil

Okay, as far as the whole Tobi=Obito thing: what do you think is going on in Kakashi's head right now? He doesn't know anything about any survivors of the Uchiha clan outside of Sauske and Itachi. Now all of the sudden someone with a sharingan appears before him, confims that both Itachi is dead, and that Sauske is laying beside him (apparently alive, but not for long from what I could tell), and then desided to (by the set up) dissapear using time/space jutsu from a sharingan. To top that off, he only (apparently) has his right eye.

Itachi's eyes seemed to have powers that had a relationship to each other. We have seen Kakashi use his MS power, which is a space/time jutsu that seems to implode the target. So to me it seems that Kakashi will connect the dots (despite being lazy he is a prodogy) and come to the logical conclusion that Tobi=Obito. Also if this is indeed the case, then he will tell them (or at least Naruto and Sakura) about his past and Obito.

Up to this point, this sounds logical enough (given that you ignore the fact that Obito died before his clan did).

We all know what happens to Obito right away, first major mission: he dies under a rockfall, and has the sharingan from his left eye given to Kakashi to replace his missing eye.

Slight clarification here, but Obito was already a chuunin and had faced many missions (without the sharingan) before this one.

When he is about to die, if he gives up on these relationships, it could potentialy mean that he gained his MS, even if he didn't know what the requirements were. Now the only question in this is if it really is his MS that allows him to 'port. If no, then this is garbage.

This was garbage even before the potential sharingan power. Obito showed no signs of changing his mind and little of his fear during his death. And, as you said, he is very Naruto-ish. He wouldn't abandon relationships easily, as we've seen.

The major plus to this idea of mine is that it still gives Tobi a reason to go for Sauske: a new pair of eyes. I don't think he cares if it has the MS or not, but this way he can get two new eyes, and only had to delay some "small fry" for a few minutes (I say small fry because of his 'porting abilities). I mean, only one person to deal with who can't even fight you... and then you get 20/20 vision with the sharingan. Good deal.

Actually, it doesn't make much sense. If Madara wanted eyes, he could have lifted a couple off of any of the Uchihas he assisted in murdering during the Uchiha massacre. No, if Madara wanted Sasuke's eyes, there would have to be a much more specific thing that he was seeking out that simply a couple of new eyes.

For the record, I actually like Tobito theories. But this one wasn't especially sensible.

Originally Posted by ds0192234

It would explain why madara doesn't have MS, just regular sharingan.

say what? did i miss something?^^ didn't itachi clearly say that he DOES possess the EMS

Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama

For the record, I actually like Tobito theories. But this one wasn't especially sensible.

jup seeing as this is a simple shonen manga.. he IS obito
but discussing that on baseless facts or just pulling facts from nowhere is really annoying ¬_¬

If Obito is Madara and they're both Tobi, at least that would explain why Kakashi has the MS eye. But whatever, I'm so confused at this point.

Why do you guyz think marada has to be some spirit who is able to steal bodys and O.o magic stuff like that? wtf >_> noob theorys gone wild WILD