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    Nicholas71 is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    Default Sharingan, Eyes of Blood

    This isn't so much a theory as it is drawing a parallel between the Sharingan and blood. But before that...

    This is post no #100!! yeah...took me a year...

    Anyway, on with the theory. To me, it seems as if the Sharingan has a symbolic connection to blood. Consider:

    - the Sharingan is red as blood.
    - to activate Mangekyou, one has to kill their best friend, and subsequently take their brother's eyes to make it permanent.
    - the ability itself is passed down by blood.

    considering the above, it would seem that basically, more blood = stronger Sharingan. But for me there are two sides to this coin:

    1) spilling blood
    2) blood ties

    Let's start with the first. Spilling blood. This means that to bring the Sharingan to the next level, one has to spill blood. Mostly, it's correct, because to even get three dots in both eyes, you need experience using the Sharingan in battle, and that might involve spilling blood. However, we already know that you can train the Sharingan like anything else, so at this stage it isn't entirely necessary.

    To get MS, however, one must spill the blood of one's best friend. I suppose that the idea is that a friend is even closer to the person wielding the Sharingan, and so that blood is much more significant than the blood of others.

    To go even further, to make it permanent, one needs to sever an even more important bond; a brother. Basically, one later has to take one's brother's eyes, to make the power everlasting. That's it for spilling blood.

    Now let's go to blood ties. This is something somewhat different on the above, since it means building ties instead of breaking them. However, so far, the only thing I can seem to find as proof is Kakashi and Obito. Now, everyone focused on Kakashi getting his MS something like 10-20 years later. We all wonder how he got it. Possibly, because all his friends (including his best friend) are dead, he might have somehow turned that to his advantage. Very possible, but my take is that it was the act of building ties and bonds that gave rise to Kakashi's Sharingan.

    Consider:
    - Obito activated his Sharingan while trying to protect his comrades.
    - Sasuke does the same (to protect Naruto from Haku).

    Meaning, rather than having the threat of danger, they activated the Sharingan to protect their friends. Later, as we all know, Obito saved Kakashi once more, this time from a falling boulder. This is where I believe the significance lies. By saving Kakashi, and not letting him get crushed, he somehow awakened the potential of MS, though a different form.

    Now let me go off-topic a little and explain the main point of my theory. There are two types of MS: the conventional "dark" MS, and the repressed "light" MS. Once upon a time, before Madara came along, the Sharingan was probably considered (is still probably is, until the massacre) something that highlights the bond between the Uchiha. To gain a more powerful Sharingan, one might have to expand upon that bond, and gained the Light MS.

    Then Madara and his brother came along, and found the "dark side" to gaining MS, that is, severing those bonds instead. By doing this, the blood on their hands drives them toward the darkness, and activates the MS. It is also my opinion that by doing this, gaining the Dark MS, one's eyes shall also be engulfed in the subsequent darkness that follows. The only was to return to the light, was, to steal the light of another's eyes. The eyes of their brother. By doing so, they complete the process, and complete their Dark MS, as well as gain immortality (a typical "dark side" achievement).

    After years of Uchiha killing off their friends, the Dark gene in the Sharingan became more dominant, and the Light gene became weaker. And this brings us back to Kakashi and Obito. By saving Kakashi, he inadvertently re-awakened a little of the Light gene, and allowedf access to the Light MS. Instead of spilling blood on his hands, he strengthened the blood between himself and his friend. This could explain why, years later, Kakashi managed to finally manifest his MS, after all his hard work, and why it has different techniques.

    One might also argue that Kakashi's eyes are deteriorating, as he hinted to Itachi. However, he might just have gotten access to the secret Uchiha meeting room, and found all the information he needed there.

    I also think that to kill one's friend is not entirely necessary, just the will and dark heart to do so. The act of killing one's friend is just the more concrete way to wrench one's heart into darkness, and it just helps with the split. It is also the same way that the Light MS could be obtained. The act of total and willing sacrifice to save one's friend is needed, even if the person does not die doing so.

    (will continue later)...

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    Sorry, but while I'll give you points for effort and creativity, this theory is almost entirely made up of generics and extremely far-fetched hopefuls for which there isn't much backing that breaks the mold of non-Sharingan users who were in similar situations.

    Pretty much your saying "Eye = Red, Blood = Red, Killing will level you up, but it seems that protecting levels you up too, maybe malevolence isn't the only option to get the ultimate powers" Then it drones off into the clichés of "...Dark Dark Dark, evil, Light Light Light, good..."

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    I actually agree with Terasiel, the variation of dark + light look like vaguer adoption of the theory by Jeanne Uchiha, and the diminishing representation of the 'light gene' sounded wrong because that assumes that the dark variation was superior to the light one, and we can't attest to that, in fact I would argue against it considering how strong Itachi's doujutsus are (but that's just my speculation).

    Also, the whole Kakashi interpretation was just that-interpretation, and you said Kakashi might have read the scroll but the way he spoke to Itachi implied both to the readers and Itachi that he was personally experiencing eye deterioration and Kakashi would not have known about the secret dungeon in the Uchiha temple since it was secret.

    I agree with you on the fact that the Sharingan is highly tied with bonds, but I don't think there is a specific trend to describe how it impacts the development of the sharingan. We know that activation of the sharingan comes from dire stress under battle and while protecting someone els, but the line already gets hazier as to the different methods to get mangekyo, and even more so for EMS. As for relation by blood, most of the trends you mentioned before in support sounded like typical traits of any bloodline limit. The passage by blood and the redness of the eye fit that bill.

    Also, the redness of the eye and the pattern fit in with the whole Uchiha/hawk or Uchiha/bird relationship better than the Uchiha/blood relationship.

    Good stuff to chew over though.
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    Nicholas71 is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    actually i prefer the yin yang theory. just trying to draw a parallel between the eyes, and speculate whether there's another way to gain a more powerful Sharingan.

    thanks guys.

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    well of course sharingan has something to do with blood ... its a bloodline limit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas71 View Post

    One might also argue that Kakashi's eyes are deteriorating, as he hinted to Itachi. However, he might just have gotten access to the secret Uchiha meeting room, and found all the information he needed there.
    Except that Sasuke had access to the Uchiha secret meeting room and he didn't know about the Mangekyou Sharingan causing blindness (refer to chapter 385).

    You have some interesting ideas but they don't really seem to be backed up with much besides theory. Yeah the sharingan is blood related (hence bloodline limit) and yes obtaining higher levels of it has to do with bonds but that is all pretty obvious. Your idea of light and dark sharingan is interesting but I don't really see it making sense. Kakashi's sharingan is different from Itachi's certainly but as it stands all the Mangekyou sharingans that have been shown appear different. Since only Itachi and Kakashi have actually been shown using them there is little to say that every Mangekyou doesn't possess different abilities.

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    i like the idea but there are no conclusions. The "(will continue latter)" might be for that. but conclusions are nessessary to make people belive that what you say is correct by just waiting for the future events.

    And people dont say a theory isnt true just for the obviousness, cause a manga/book gives clues and stuff.. its just retarded to say a theory isnt right just becuase its obvious, how els can you make a theory? just say random things and hope people will belive you? >_> god

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnIt View Post
    And people dont say a theory isnt true just for the obviousness, cause a manga/book gives clues and stuff.. its just retarded to say a theory isnt right just becuase its obvious, how els can you make a theory? just say random things and hope people will belive you? >_> god
    I don't understand your contention here. No one has said that the theory is incorrect because points made in it were obvious but rather that the obvious points, i.e. blood relation and the significance of bonds, don't really do a lot to back up the theory of a light and dark sharingan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artifice View Post
    I don't understand your contention here. No one has said that the theory is incorrect because points made in it were obvious but rather that the obvious points, i.e. blood relation and the significance of bonds, don't really do a lot to back up the theory of a light and dark sharingan.
    Well someone did say the theory is incorret cause 'red is blood and sharingan is blood so it all has to be related'

    the comment was more pointed to all theories and people not liking them cause it would be to 'obvious', Like the Obito/Tobi theori and so i just dont like it when people do that. it all just makes it look that the only way people can be pleased is that it turns out that tobi was actually a giant bunny rabit. just the Level of mistery needed to satisvi people is gotten higher then ever though of .. yeah im oftopic and stuff.. >_>

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    Nicholas71 is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    like I said, its not so much a theory as it is something i noticed, so i thought it would be interesting to put out to see what everyone thinks.

    and yeah i've only got 5 minutes here now, so i still can't finish it. don't worry, it's nothing too significant.

 

 
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