Thread: An interesting theory...

I made this thread to discuss an interesting theory that someone on Narutofan's forum made regarding the possibility of 2 types of MS.

Read this: Why Madara wants Sasuke? Why Itachi tested Sasuke's "capacity/container"?two EMS? - Naruto Forums

Though the format of the the theory is a quite poor and most of the stuff at the beginning was crap (like Itachi's gauging and the comment on blindness) and even most of the major ideas are only speculatory, it does leave us with a few nuggets to consider.

1) When considering how the eternal mangekyo is an original doujutusu, the author considers that the addition of the 2nd set of mangekyo eyes balanced out something the first set of eyes alone lacked, and proposed that the eyes were differentiated by ying/yang chakra types. S/he also points out that this kind of division is analogous to Izanagi and Izanami, the shinto gods that the sharingan and Uchiha clan has its biggest basis in.

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what would be the difference between the yin and the yang ems so?

let's see ms jutsus:

- Amaterasu;
- Tsukuyomi;
- and possibly Susanoo in a little;(confirmed XD)

what about we bring Izanagi and Izanami to the jutsu thing?

Izanagi is the god of life, while Izanami is the goddess of death

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Let's look at the yinyang & Izanagi/Izanami relationship a bit closer (not explained by the author but sort of necessary).

Originally Posted by wikipedia

Yin (陰 or 阴 "shady place, north slope, south bank (river); cloudy, overcast"; Japanese: in or on; Korean: 음, Vietnamese: âm) is the dark element: it is passive, dark, feminine, negative, downward-seeking, consuming and corresponds to the night.

Yang (陽 or 阳 "sunny place, south slope, north bank (river), sunshine"; Japanese: yō; Korean: 양, Vietnamese: dương) is the bright element: it is active, light, masculine, positive, upward-seeking, producing and corresponds to the daytime.

Originally Posted by wiki on Izanagi

He[Izanagi] and his spouse Izanami bore many islands, deities, and forefathers of Japan. When Izanami died in childbirth, Izanagi tried (but failed) to retrieve her from Yomi (the underworld). In the cleansing rite after his return, he begot Amaterasu (the sun goddess) from his left eye, Tsukuyomi (the moon god) from his right eye, and Susano'o (tempest or storm god) from his nose.

When Izanagi looks prematurely at his wife, he beholds her monstrous and hellish state and she is shamed and enraged. She pursues him in order to kill him. She fails to do so, but promises to kill a thousand of his people every day. Izanagi retorts that a thousand and five hundred will be born every day.

Seems the comparison is pretty accurate, with Yin= Izanami and Yang=Izanagi.

On a side note, doesn't Izanagi/ying sound like Sasuke? (the whole premature thing makes me think of Itachi using tsukiyomi on him on the night the clan died)
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S/he then fits this information into the plot to see whether it makes sense.

since madara has the black ems, the yin ems, he would have awakened the Izanami tecnique, the goddess of death tecnique, that would explain how madara "defeated" the death, and madara does not look normal, if he is tobi, he cannot be touched and can change places kinda fast, the goddess of death tecnique, Izanami, would allow madara to act like one spirit, like a phantom, etc

I cut off from the theory here because it hits really shaky grounds (the author says that depending on what type of MS you started out with, you will gain either an Izanagi form or Izanami form of the eternal mangekyo that will allow you to control either the yang/ying chakra of biju, with Madara and Itachi being predisposed for Izanami and Sasuke for Izanagi, but the latter 2 don't make sense considering Itachi has Izanagi's moves).

Anyways, what do you make of this?

Interesting..

Although I'm not sure about it, it does make some sense.. but still I don't think its that.
I do have to think more about it, to formulate it better.

Sounds reasonable.

But think about if, if you get the power of death from one EMS, and the power of life by the other EMS, wouldnt that both make you immortal?
Endless life or never dying, isnt that the same...

A lot of this theory definitely seems possible, lots of the details seem highly questionable as you have said but definitely some of it is possible if not likely. I certainly wouldn't doubt Izanagi and Izanami being the techniques offered by the Eternal Mangekyou sharingan (the techniques need to be called something and they are the next logical step) and the idea of another type of Eternal Mangekyou seems highly likely to me. There respective abilities would also explain Madara's immortality.

I always got the impression that there was some important reason for having 2 people with the eternal Mangekyou sharingan. The different types of Mangkeyou sharingan also must have some significance though I still greatly question what that is exactly since there have been 4 types shown and differences between them have yet to be verified. How these different eyes relate to one another could be a major factor here.

I find Madara's interest in Sasuke difficult to place in this theory though, the Manga hasn't really given anything to indicate that Sasuke would take Itachi's eyes even if he could. As it stands now he seems totally intent on just plain killing Itachi and he has still yet to awaken his own Mangekyou sharingan. So what makes Madara think that Sasuke will obtain another type of Eternal Mangekyou? Madara seems intent on the idea that Sasuke's eyes will surpass Itachi's but how that will happen and what the significance of that is remains hard to determine.

There are 2 things that need to be considered.
The fact that Mandara knows about Sasuke's eyes and claim they will surpass Itachi's.
And the way Itachi describes Mandara as a pathetic shell of his younger self and his goal to best him.

Anyway if Mandara really has a plan in mind for Sasuke, then it wouldnt be a surprise if he somehow helped Sasuke out in the end of the Deidara fight.
(the no_chakra_Manda_sumon_genjutsu_on_it_and_teleport_ it_to_another_dimension thing)

I really doubt that Madara Helped out Sasuke in the Deidara fight, Why? Because Madara wants to see what Sasuke is capable off, He wants to see if he got what it takes to kill Itachi, and thats if Madara indeed wants Sasuke to kill so he can gain the MS. If Orochimaru knew that Sasukes eyes could surpass Itachi's then yes, Madara would also ave to know, since he and Itachi was the ones to let him live. It was all in the plan from the beginning, and Madara isn't stupid or that blind to see that Sasuke got major potentiel.

But yes its an interesting theory, long time since a good one have been posted..

This is a nice theory.....It pays to read Japanese mythology for this manga...I wonder.....there's still a question on the different types of ms and how kakashi's is different from others and whether there are different methods to get the ms.

it's a little hard to get down at first but...this is a great theory. I would say that this is somewhat true, and it explains lots of questions about MS.

good effort.

though i really like to see this info about the two gods as kishis research material i doubt its worth much
its way too imprecise and imperfect
first of all whats up with amaterasu being born from the left eye, and tsukiyomi from the right - it surely IS the origin but its also kind of mirror-inverted isn't it? i wonder why
also.. this theory indicates madara being an izanami type because of madaras jutsu which we actually don't know anything about
and the biggest failure of all.. sasuke is bound to be izanagi? making madara and itachi izanami? the hell.. it contradicts everything up till now! why would the so like izanami-type itachi have AMATERASU, TSUKIYOMI and SUSANOOH, children of the deity izanaGI, as jutsus?

also.. that part about madara "beating death".. it's way too inconsistent
izanami couldn't escape death since she already ate food from the underworld!
actually.. madara and itachi being izanaGI is way more likely cuz izanagi traveled to the underworld and came back! i think that has more of beating death than izanami stating she can't leave the underworld
izanagi also kind of beats izanami saying if she were to kill 1000 people he would give life to 1500 at the same pace - when reading the wiki articles i never thought of izanami beating death.. its more likely the other way around

What doesn't make sense to me is someone taking BOTH eyes..
If they take one Yin eye and one Yang eye, then for me would make some sense to me, as that person would have access to both eyes and could like combine skills and whatnot.

If you consider that would explain why Madara show just one eye.. Either the good eye is hidden to save chakra, and reduce strain. Just like Kakashi, while he search for the other perfect eye to use.

So he wants sasuke other eye to finish up his Set of eyes and attain some kind of ungodly power, as he have his brothers eye(s?) both? or just one?