View Poll Results: Is Pain someone we know?

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    LarsDeman is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    irecinius, I would say that he said that the current pain isn't nagato based on that he didn't see anyone who looked like Nagato. I would say that the fact that Jiraya knows the people who's bodies are used/abused is a freak accident. And about remembering them, he's a fucking ninja, if he can't remember a face or 6 what skills would he have for scouting?

    So, I would still bet on it really being Nagato hiding himself somewhere. As with Jiraya-sensei at the start it should be someone whom have had such a relationship with him. Let us also not forget Konan, who was in the group of three that Jiraya trained.

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    The only lame thing, was that Jiraya went out himself to make sure, he could of made a shadow bunshin....

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    Didn't Jiraya say that his chakra was disturbed from getting impaled by that thing, so maybe he couldn't make one.

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    ^ i think that was from the black sword looking thing that was stuck inside him, once the hermit frog removed it he did not have that disturbance any more
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    I'm starting to think that the six bodies thing was specifically made to beat jiraiya. We don't know how pain beat that one salamander guy......and I don't think it's a coincidence that those bodies were all people jiraiya met.

    If they were random ninja, why would he have an epiphany now?......I dunno, this somehow fits in with the prophecy......I think.......

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    Itsutsu Kami is offline Senior Member Regular
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    wow naruto is going from one tangent to the next...i wish the story would move a bit faster....there are no individual arcs....atleast not in my eyes
    quessing games are pretty hard..because the rate of time isnt marked so its easy to make a mistake...im thinking its a new character..or an od one that hasnt been introduced yet..i guess its one in the same thou


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    It's log.See Naruto abridge.

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    irecinius is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarsDeman View Post
    irecinius, I would say that he said that the current pain isn't nagato based on that he didn't see anyone who looked like Nagato. I would say that the fact that Jiraya knows the people who's bodies are used/abused is a freak accident. And about remembering them, he's a fucking ninja, if he can't remember a face or 6 what skills would he have for scouting?
    He been calling Pain, nagato since the begining and telling how much he changed..

    When he said he discovered who is him, tells me pretty much its another person other then nagato. Right now.

    Scout skill is something but, cmon if you fight 1000 ninjas over the course of your life, would you remember exacly 6?
    Unless there was some clear marking thing, like "Scaring the fuuma's clan's ninja forehead"

    I took the idea of Yahiko controling the Rinnengan thru a machine based on thoses pods. That look like something Orochimaru would do..

    In fact there is the possibility of Orochimaru and Him developing the soul transfer technique or coping it from him and twisting it this way.
    "Chile is a thin and tall country"

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    Quote Originally Posted by adonai View Post
    Another possibility is that the bodies were collected by Pain (who or whatever that is) randomly, but because of the "travel the world" part of the prophecy, Jiraiya was fated to gain knowledge of each of them, which is what allows him to figure out who or what Pain is at this moment. Unfortunately, this doesn't account for what’s actually happening and tells us nothing about Jiraiya just realized.
    I think Pain is Nagato because he basically says to Jiraiya "This pain helped me grow up" which is pretty much what Jiraiya said to Nagato, word for word. Right now, I'll assume Pain is Nagato based on evidence and the fact that when Pain was addressed as Nagato and answered to it several times. And the only thing that makes sense with Jiryaiya's walkabout would be for him to randomly encounter Pain's bodies, otherwise it's a total random prophecy made for no reason whatsoever.

    However to play Devil's Advocate: If you go back to Jiraiya's conversation with Konan, he's says 'they're dead' refering to Nagato and Yahiko and Konan gets a look on her face as if to say "yes". And during the flashback Nagato's blackout is very strange. Maybe Pain is this Sage of the Six Paths operating through Nagato as a kid who at the time felt enough pain to manifest through him which might explain the strange weapons and the piercings. Pain might actually be completely incorporeal only able to manifest through certain people through pain, which would explain why he's in the Rain country considering their history, and why he wants to wreak havoc on the whole planet. It would also explain why he would assemble certain members of the Akatsuki. Hidan, Kakuzu, Orochimaru and Sasori were all dedicated to either immortality, or creating 'eternal bodies'. So there's a motive and a connection.

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    well put. i just have problem with Kishi going that deep into the prophecy. But given Jiraiya's situation, he has the need to make sense of his life purpuse, although he should be thinking of an escape plan (one of the toad told him that, and he refused). Its interesting how its obvious to us who Pain is, but not to Jiraiya, then suddenly, he says he knows, and we find ourselved deeply confused, because the stuffs he mentioned as he was thinking didnt help us put together the puzzle.
    Killing time while waiting for the next chapter. OnePiece, that is.

 

 
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