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    aurno is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    From a psychologica standpoint this is why the Konoha Academy does not work, first off Iruka sensei never reallly makes any of the lessons very meaningful the man simply gives you some back ground information and then expects you to know things about it. He never builds up on it, and makes sure that he provides added motivation, "you should study thins because you'll be tested this in the exam" and does not elaborate on it.I mean really all he says is "bunshin will decieve enmemy": cn't he make it more interesting? "bunshin can be combined with explding jutsu's and kill you enmeies when they attack" now that has meaning
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    Forget history of diplomatic if you gonna have weaposn practice be real "Shodaime kicked Maadara's ass with this simple jutsu, start using it!"

    thats motivation

    Also he does not seem to follow the Instructional events model like we do in our schools they don't evern

    Prepare them to learn
    1. attention gain their attention
    2. Expectancy tell them they will be tested
    3Retrival of memory:

    \Aqusition and perform
    4. Selevetive perception of stimuls features show them things
    5. Encoding: sstorage litmlet help them memozei it
    6. Retrrive and respond ask them qustion
    7. Reinforce tell them write or wronge feedback

    transfer of learning
    8. Cuing retrieval
    9;generalization assess performance

    so basically gain attentin, tell them theywil be tested, then present, test them reinfornce and then asses then asssive the with quesions

    is it really thatt hard?

    it isn't possible for a dedicated student to fail unless theya re really retarded and we all know naruto aint a retard with strategy.
    I mean if naruto's education system was based on getting his attention then motivating and last steps were assess if he was doing okay then he would be okay. But mostly the huge aquisition and performance was gapped out and an orphan like naruto had to pay the price because no one would take the time to see if he really aquired and preferomedn ti right, let alone prepare him for the learning phase of jutsus. its like they expect everything to come naturally, hell even sasuke was taught how to learn by his parents. Naruto just wings as he goes along.

    Also the academy barely helps students reach automated basic skills
    1. cognitive basic skills naruto should be taught how to problem solve to make sense of procdures
    2. Assositve stage naruto should be taught how to chunk all hundred steps into larger chunks and fewer steps
    3. Autonomous stages, all those huge procudres are finally tuned and becomes automatic

    cog, assosiate, and auto stages, if iruka could give naruto enough info and enough feedback we would not have such a drop out, instead we woould have a genius, teaching how not just how to do it, and why and when to do it, and when is the jutsu beiong done wronge and what to do to improve on it. Instead Naruto simply has a whole mix of domain spefic strategies he can only use in one situation instead of creating automatic larning strageties like Itachi who has enough feed back and evaulationg to be able to outsmart a nation of stupid illiterate ninjas.

    hardly the strategy the genin class is anyting more then baby play, its scary that they survived in the ninja realm at all with that little training.
    Last edited by kaom; 11-07-2007 at 07:47 PM. Reason: Double post.

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    mystic_guard_sinoel is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Learn to not double post...


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    Raszagal is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    You bring out some okay points, but its more like "how the...." then "why..." u see?
    But hey, Naruto was meant to be a stupid drop out, being a hokage in the end. It's still a manga, so dont strain yourself too much..

    Other then that, a hundred things could be better or improve on their teachings or combat startegy.

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    event is offline Senior Member Well Known
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    Can someone who writes so horribly give any criticism about educating or preparing others through any means... and try using the edit button next time...

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    Urameshi-sama is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Dude, Iruka is only a frikkin chuunin (not a generalization on chuunins, but on Iruka)! You overestimate his abilities by too much.

    Also, how much practical info do you learn in school or in lower school? Psychology is not very likely going to be taught at the academy nor higher level jutsu like elemental or shaping jutsus. Also, Iruka probably isn't educated enough or capable enough to teach his students intricate battle strategies or jutsu because he has so many students with different affinities and he only has them for a relatively limited time.

    Also, internalizing a type of battle plan or strategy can be used to your disadvantage if the enemy is familiar with that style of attack.

    Also, your suggestions are too fucking vague! Just because you read about these strategies in an introductory Psych book doesn't mean that you can easily train these skills. And you really don't mention the methods to training these skills, which are in themselves only improved through training.

    Also, people aren't experimental chimps and shouldn't be treated like some. The entire 1st post refers to problem solving skills developed by chimps in a psych experiment. Some of these benchmarks are naturally developed in humans at certain ages and in certain conditions that occur naturally.

    Basically, this is too analytical since we really don't know much about the academy anyways. We really can't make some sweeping statements about the academy since we've seen less than a dozen scenes in the academy with each revealing very little about its structure.

    Wow, that was long...

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    Err... Konoha ninja accademy is like:
    Maybe not every mother out there wants their kids to be a ninja, but a kid is a kid, and what is cooler then being a ninja? then send to Iruka daddy day care.. err Konoha Ninja accademy..

    Iruka give the kid SOME ninja training, or on what is being a ninja etc, and keep them entretained for the day.
    While they teach the kids some stuff, they don't go to first and second fundamental theorems of calculus.

    If the kid really want to be a ninja he will get himself a jounin or higher and be under his wings.. read "Rock lee" for example.

    Konoha academy isn't a splinter cell training program to breed uber ninjas!

    Ow, yea, forgot something. Its very smart, to give Ak47, Bomb making 101 to our kids, you know maybe they will join the arm and will be good for the country right? and just let the good judgement prevent thoses KIDS from fucking around with explosives bushins.. right?
    "Chile is a thin and tall country"

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    what i think is, ok they learn the basic ninja skills that they will need to survive. trajectories, if i remember right from the chuunin exam. basically the fundamentals that they can learn off of, then there is the bloodskills or family skills.

    but the main problem i see is the emotional training and pshycological aspect to the students. the tell them they can't have emotions, but that isn't enough. when the face real combat it is like ok i win, now a nice pat on the back and i don't expect you to attack me again now go home.

    i mean they are supposed to be fighting to survive when someone comes at you with killing techniques or shorp daggers and whatnot.

    not beat the person into submision and then say ok go home now and stop what you were doing.

    none of them are prepared from what i've really seen except the messed up ones in the head (suske)

    the other villages and root are the only ones that made them kill in order to graduate the schools

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    aurno......i don't wanna know how your kids will be like..

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    Yep, the ninja academy is not supposed to be West Point or something. The kinds that "graduate" do so around 12-13. They're not supposed to immediately be servicable ninjas, much less go in combat - it's just the hard rock basics in ninjutsu + basic education a la elementary school. Those that finish it are sent to the jounin, who will then decide if the kid has some real talent and aptitude and maybe will start their actual training. The rest simply start studying something else or helping in some business in preparation for getting a job, just like normal kids.

    Of course, in the case of Naruto, it doesn't do a very good job. Still, I remember a couple of people from my elementary school class who weren't exactly poster children of what school should do to you by the time we graduated, so I don't think it that impossible.
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    Also if you consider the process of education; the academy would be comparable to going through grades 1-12, in other words basic learning and structure.

    Becoming a Genin within a Jonin ran squad is something like going to college… the point is anyone who has or is pursuing a higher education will tell you, college is not established to get you a job, but in actuality it is to teach you how to think.

 

 
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