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    Heartlessfang is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    yeah kakashi's katon: gokkakyuu no jutsu was unneeded, but it did allow him to show off a bit.... He's so broken sometimes it's not even funny.

    ......Too much information on the sharingan. Itachi already explained that in order to make full use of the sharingan you need a kekkei genkai as well as the sharingan. So you can assume that it was specifically made for the Uchiha clan who have the memory and the chakra capacity to deal with it.


    Rasengan is NOT a wind type jutsu. They explained it in the manga already how it was just spatial compostion, not elemental. Naruto has only used it for something other than attacking in fillers.

    I agree that the Ice type jutsu in the first movie was being used because of the environment. Otherwise They said it was Haku's water/wind kekkei genkai.

    ......there I'm done.

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    i think when jiraiya's talking about the six element thing that might just be a mistraslation. i think what jiraiya might have said was that pein has mastery of the six ninja arts due to his rinnengan. the six arts would be taijutsu, ninjutsu, genjutsu, kinjutsu, dojutsu, and summoning jutsu. now if u look at the six whatever that way it makes more sense. also the sharingan doesn't copy jutsus it gives you an eye of insight. copying is just kakashi's specialty that's all.

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    Heartlessfang is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    No, they've said it over and over again in the manga and anime that the sharingan can copy justu.
    Zabuza explained it can copy movements and jutsu once already , though you have a point about kakshi's ability to copy without the sharingan.

    And the six ways thing makes sense, though it takes the mystery away from pain. Each body he has concentrates on a different path

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    You have to keep in mind; when the Mangaka added elements (as of Naruto - Wind revelation) Sharingan has been downgraded by most of the fans and possibly the author himself. ... Meaning, it may turn out that it can not copy any Jutsu that exceeds the users predetermined elemental range. (i.e. - No training in fire means no Katon, so on...)

    (Bold and Underlining brought to you by: All those users who can't seem to read a post before arguing with it. I'm looking at you HxH.)

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    now that i think about it from what u guys are saying the sharigan kinda sucks.....
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    I think we'll be needing a Databook on the elements and who can use them. Lolz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terasiel View Post
    You have to keep in mind; when the Mangaka added elements (as of Naruto - Wind revelation) Sharingan has been downgraded by most of the fans and possibly the author himself. ... Meaning, it may turn out that it can not copy any Jutsu that exceeds the users predetermined elemental range. (i.e. - No training in fire means no Katon, so on...)

    (Bold and Underlining brought to you by: All those users who can't seem to read a post before arguing with it. I'm looking at you HxH.)
    There's never been any contradictions present though, so there's no indication that it truly went from "can copy anything", to "copy anything that you're physically capable of doing", it was always the second situation to begin with.

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    @Heartlessfang

    the sharingan hasn't been said to copy jutsus. that's just kakashi's specialty. if the sharingan was able to copy jutsus then why is kakashi the only known ninja with the sharingan in the history of the naruto to ever be called the copy ninja. why hasn't sasuke been called copy ninja, or itachi, or obito or any other uchiha. i'll tell u why cuz the sharingan doesn't copy anything it just gives you an eye of insight. it makes it possible for someone to decipher for what their opponent is gonna do. also kakashi stated during his fight with zabuza that his only original move was chidori. well kakashi didn't get the sharingan until obito died. so does that mean that the only jutsu he knew before he got the sharingan was chidori. from kakashi's statement to zabuza it's insinuated that he's been copying jutsus before he got the sharingan. the fact that he has the eye of insight makes it much easier for him to copy jutsus cuz he can decipher for what his opponents can do. when have we seen itachi or sasuke copy any jutsus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megadethfan22 View Post
    the sharingan hasn't been said to copy jutsus. that's just kakashi's specialty.
    "Copy wheel eye" says otherwise.

    As for the "only original move" thing, consider the fact that most ninja don't, in fact, invent their own jutsu, they learn it, without the help of magic eyes, but they still generally learn instead of invent.

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    @:megadethfan22
    ((yay I get to build up my number of posts!))

    Sasuke copied rock lee's taijutsu, and unless taijutsu doesn't count as an actual jutsu, that would count as Sasuke using it.

    Itachi was suspected of using the sharingan to copy Suisui(or whoever his name was) Uchiha's handwriting using the sharingan to write his suicide note. That counts as using the sharingan as well doesn't it?

    Kakashi is called the "Copy Ninja" because copying is his specialty. Chances are, other uchihas didn't need to overuse the copy ability like kakashi does, because...... well..... they didn't need it.

    (I'm assuming..)The Uchiha were the cream of the crop ninja clan in konoha next to the hyuuga clan and others( superior speed and jutsu naturally...even a dropout uchiha would school most others outside his clan even without the sharingan)

    ........aside from that you think kakashi could even achieve that title without the sharingan? He'd just be an above average jounin with an incomplete jutsu(chidori) that can copy a few jutsu if the seal speed is slow enough....and even so wouldn't he have to know the jutsu and how to use it before he even attempts to copy it???.....too many questions...

    Bottom line, the name, and the aforementioned abilities in the Manga and the Anime of the kekkei genkai the sharingan imply that it has a copy ability.

 

 
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