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    irecinius is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    in the first Naruto movie they even had him copy an ice jutsu, which eventually turned out to be a bloodline limit..
    Didn't he copy only the wale/shark thing? that was a water jutsu. I really don't feel like seeing that again.
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    Yeah, non of the fillers, including the movies, follow the manga probably, so they are libarated to do certain things that goes against the mangas 'facts'..Arent they making a fith movie now? >_>

    Don't know why I keep seeing them...

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    Default Theory of Whats up with Sharingan

    I am not much of a naruto manga reader, although i keep up to date on them, but i have read a substantial number of fanfics, so bear with me from how i think the sharingan works, or flame, either way. The Sharingan encodes the visual seals and sensory chakra signitures into the LTM of a uchiha. Then the jutsu is stored insidide until its Retrieved from LTM suing spreading of actions where one rememebered seal will activate another remembered seal until all the seals are remembered. Now what does this have to do with the affinity of using elemental orignal copies, well I think that since the mind of the unchia is forecd or reconstruct the sensory information of the seals and chakra, (i think speed does not matter, sharingan trained well enough will copy anything) sand the uchiha re reconstructing how to do the jutsus based on knowledge they already have, they will not be able to copy something where they have no fundemntal ltm mmmemory. Itachi can't copy Rasengan because he does not have the fundemtals of its origins, he has academy training, and all but not the theoritical trials that naruto had been taught by Jiraya.

    Which brings me to another point of forgetting how to do such things, itachi has copied so many jutsu's that there must be intereference occuring inbetween jutsu's becuuse the uchiha's do not elaborate or deep think on how the jutsu's itself work, they simply try and remember the signs and do them. Thus i belive that it takes a certain type of thinking to be able to copy jutsu even without sharingan. I mean if you look at Sasukes' executive control process the boy clearly has no idea how to copy a jutsu properly because he lacks the attention, and elaborationg skills to properly store and retrieve things in his ltm. Sure his executive control process is enough to copy lee, but lee's moves you can probably do if you pay enough attention. His knoweldge about his own thinking process is also limited as if see with his tempermental reactions, unlike Itachi who has high metacognition skills because he realizes how to learn and how to improve. Itaci's metacongitive use of sharingan are incredible, his fight with Deidera he had a plan ready in a second, he monitored how he was doing, and he even evaluated what he was doing wronge and quickly changes his strategies to suit a situation, there is no right and wronge in Itaci, he just uses his head. And does not rely soly on the recognition skills of sharingan. I mean already we are seeing the individual metacognitive difference in the two as itachi thinks "What ways can i defeat this guy" Sasuke thinks "I am going to use my strenght to defeat them" sigh,
    also their individual skills are different for they remember how to do different techniqeus better, due to expereince. And also it seems taht Itachi actually seems to enjoy this jinja game so clearly he will store better jutsu's in ltm, and keep learning due to his interest.

    Yet its hard to say if Itachi uses route or meaning, you know like he just repeates to remember and just rememerbes things using his serial position, like his eearlier and later jutsus actually are used more cause they are actually rememmbered or if he uses distributed practice or massed practice is to remembeed his jutsus is sitll up for question, I kdoubt theyh have any mnemoic technies to remmenbered anytign. method loci, peg-type (associte word with cue), acronyme, or even chain mnemenics, but keyword method i seem to run into a lot cause you remmeber katon from Fuuton and all that cause they all sound the same and they have simliar meanings, so that takes a lot of the hassle out of remembered all those jtusus.

    1, recode jutsu, into familair terms
    2.relate the jutsu in use
    3. retrieve, then rememer it

    the problem is that you can't recall all of them, so not all jutsu will ever be processeed and thus sharingan can't copy everything if your mind will not handle it.

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    kakashi has used all elements already..katon-like everyday,, suiton-the fight with zabuza and the akatsuki,, fuuton-the demonstration of rasengan on the naruto training,, raiton-chidori/raikiri,, douton-the underground thing where his hand comes out of the ground

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    ^ He's never used fire except in the anime, and he's never used wind either, rasengan isn't wind based.

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    he has used fire before? what episode did he use fire?
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    ^ The second bell test apparently (anime only).

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    That sharingan explanation is too long, simply put, it can copy jutsu's by the use of its extra "pupils" which let the user see the type of chakra, the seals, and the amount of chakra. All the things you need to do a jutsu.
    And this crap about ltm and only having a set number of jutsus in "memory" before being overwritten or mixed up, is really dumb. The human brain has a tremendous capability for storing and processing information so much that humans use next to none of it.
    BESIDES the fact that this is a manga and for all intents and purposes, the author can just say "the uchiha's brain is hardwired to be able to handle the sharingan better, with better body memory (expierience and memory remembered throguh the body and eyes)

    and incredible visual processing (human eyes can view things at a very high speed, but the brain of a regular human can't process it, so its dulled down to where the brain can see it. The effect of "minutes seeming like hours" comes from this when the brain gets overclocked by the images coming from the eyes, so things seem to slow.)

    That simpler explanation seems to work by the fact that kakishi can't handle using the sharingan very often, it strains his brain, and puts his body under stress at reacting much faster than its used to.

    Also in the manga kakishi only ever used ewater earth and lightning jutsu's. the anime with the fire thing was just weird and uneeded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistblaze View Post
    in the first Naruto movie they even had him copy an ice jutsu, which eventually turned out to be a bloodline limit..
    no, where ahku was creating ice from her surroundings using water and wind elemental chakra, the nijas in the snow princess movie were merely manipulating the ice around them. so its just physical recomposition, like how naruto just physically recomposes the chakra to a spinning vortex, acting upon the air, its just tah he doesnt add wind chakkra to it and make it a wind element.


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    Haku is a guy. his kekkai genkai is not actually named but referred to as Hyoton
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