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    Sion4ever is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    i think light as being an element is kinda off..
    even yin/yang (so basically both light and darkness) is very unlikely
    because... the 5 elements are already part of the yin and yang
    e.g. in taoism it's yang: wood, fire; yin: metal, water (neutral: earth)
    though there're other variations as well:
    "Yin is often symbolized by water and air, while yang is symbolized by fire and earth."

    void being the sixth element is most likely atm..
    i'm not happy about the sixth element though.. (at first i thought it was a typo or sth!!)

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    btw. dunno if anyone mentioned that already.. but void would kinda match peins ring 零 ("nothing", "zero")
    Last edited by Sion4ever; 10-21-2007 at 07:09 PM.

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    ^
    I was waiting for someone to mention that cuz I didn't want to.

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    it probably wise if it wasnt mentioned at all. Why should Pain has anything to do with the 6th element. Sure, pain has mastered them. But if the sixth element is anything but on the same level with the other elements, then it should belong to a different class. I also explicitly mentioned that void is a posibility, but void is way too out there for me. If you ask me I can create nothing out of nothing anyday. j/k. Oh Light is off, please explain why, not that it has to be Light as I already said.
    Killing time while waiting for the next chapter. OnePiece, that is.

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    dit:
    btw. dunno if anyone mentioned that already.. but void would kinda match peins ring 零 ("nothing", "zero")
    actually I did notice, but then again Tobi's ring can be read as "void" (based on wikipedia) so I didn't mention it.

    Like I said, I don't think its light or darkness because they are interdependent and go together. Also, they're already represented by Yin Yang chakra, which is basically light and darkness. So no, I don't think that's what it is.

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    Based on the last chapter it is fairly clear that the 6th element is what is used to summon the many beasts and spirits that are called upon throughout the series. Pain is said to be able to use any of the six elements and Jiraiya mentions with confusion that he does not know why Pain is only using the summoning element. From what I can tell all physical matter in the world of Naruto is made up of one of or a combination of the 5 basic elements, earth, water, fire, wind, and lighting. The 6th, it would seem, pulls from another dimension entirely. Time space techniques could play into this or could simply be a distortion of the existing world. Many abilities in Naruto do not fall simply into a specific elemental category, for example, many characters have the ability to alter their bodies structure in some form (Jiraiya's hair, Orochimaru's stretching body etc.). Abilities such as sound, and shadow manipulation also seem unrelated to any specific element, though sound could likely be a branch of wind. Thus far it has been left unclear as to how many abilities are formed. The snakes used by Orochimaru, Sasuke and others often come out of their bodies which is different from normal summoning techniques which normally seem to require blood and come out of an alternate dimension disappearing in a smoke cloud upon defeat. The snakes coming from the body, however, do not do this and act as an extension of the users body retracting upon having served their purpose.

    In regards to Pain's six paths, I think his divided bodies each posses one element, which is why he is only using the summon or void element in his battle with Jiraiya. This is why I believe he switched bodies to confront Jiraiya, the body he was in initially was tied to the water element. Why he would choose to use six different bodies rather than one with all the elements is difficult to answer without more information. This is certainly only a theory and I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be false but that's my guess at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas71 View Post
    actually I did notice, but then again Tobi's ring can be read as "void" (based on wikipedia) so I didn't mention it.

    Like I said, I don't think its light or darkness because they are interdependent and go together. Also, they're already represented by Yin Yang chakra, which is basically light and darkness. So no, I don't think that's what it is.
    you're wrong, Tobi's ring is 玉女 gyokunyo, the Virgin
    玉 ("jewel", "ball"; "jade"; also the king in shogi)

    it's Oro

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    you're wrong, Tobi's ring is 玉女 gyokunyo, the Virgin
    玉 ("jewel", "ball"; "jade"; also the king in shogi)

    it's Oro
    .....oops. my bad. always got that one wrong.
    anyway, does that mean anything? do the rings hold any significance in terms of their inscriptions?

    i forgot that tobi should be the "king" since he practically controls akatsuki.

    and about pein's six bodies corresponding to each element...I think its hinted at, what with the 6 path connection, but I can't say for sure.

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    Pein's original body is the "6th" element. His Renagen allows him to combine any form of jutsu thus he can do any bloodline limit.

    Stuff like:

    Water + wind = ice
    Water + earth = wood
    lighting + earth = magnetism
    fire + earth = lava

    every possible combination of the 5 basic elements plus the dark/light or ying/yang and anything else that Kishi is gonna put in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kira^2 View Post
    Pein's original body is the "6th" element. His Renagen allows him to combine any form of jutsu thus he can do any bloodline limit.

    Stuff like:

    Water + wind = ice
    Water + earth = wood
    lighting + earth = magnetism
    fire + earth = lava

    every possible combination of the 5 basic elements plus the dark/light or ying/yang and anything else that Kishi is gonna put in.
    Smoke much?

    Jiraya said specifically that he control all 6 elements

    Ice and Wood are two elements, to composite elements, but separated element nonetheless.

    We are looking for a single primary element. Metal/Void/Light/Shadow/Poop/Love/Heart
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    In the latest chapter Jiraiya couldn't understand why even though Pein could use all 6 elements he was only using summoning jutsu.

    Since Pein can use 6 elements and also has 6 bodies it's quite possible that each of those bodies represents one of the elements he can control, which would also explain why he only used summoning jutsu and nothing else while in his current body if the 6th element was related to summoning jutsu (does that come under space/time jutsu?).

    If I'm right about the 6 bodies each representing one elemental type, then the most likely reason is that by using each body to focus only on one elemental type he was able to increase the strength of his elemental jutsu (specialisation).

 

 
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