Pein and 4th

what are the chances that they are the same person? from the start of the series especially more recently, they kept on saying great things about him, dont you think its weird for such character to be dead? of course there is this 4th-kyubi-sealing and the supposedly madara-summoning-kyubi as a hole but still the thought wont leave my mind.XD

how did the 4th died anyway? i mean chiyo was alive after sealing ichibi. i cant accept that he just died from a sealing technique. not after they made a big deal out of his name and how genius he was once.

First, the Ichibi is like 100 times weaker then the Kyubi.
Thats a fact.
Kyubi has "unlimited Chakra", Ichibi has the lowest amount of chakra of all Bijuu.

The power that is needed to seal a Bijuu has to be proportional to the power/chakra the Bijuu has.

Second, Yondaime is dead, Pein is alive.
They arent the same.
The only possibility which exists atm is that Pein possesses the body of Minato.
But thats just speculation.

The theory about Pein diggin up Minatos dead body is ridiculously...But since this is a manga, everything can happen O_o
But where would pein get the body from in the first place, since Minato and Pein seems to be around the same age, it doesn't add up..
Unless, like an other theory, The Pein we see now, ins't his real body, and his real body is loong gone...

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Originally Posted by Raszagal

Unless, like an other theory, The Pein we see now, ins't his real body, and his real body is loong gone...

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Its not another theorie, its the same theorie that Pein doesnt has his original body anymore.
But what do you need a real body, if you can overtake every killed persons body.

The 4th used the Shinigami sealing technique that kills the user. The 3rd said it in his battle against Orochimaru.

i'm just wondering ...why would anybody think pein's first body is minato's? just because they have like ....a bit spikey hair? (which is not even the same colour)?
i would appreciate a logical answer.

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Originally Posted by sakura_hana

i'm just wondering ...why would anybody think pein's first body is minato's? just because they have like ....a bit spikey hair? (which is not even the same colour)?
i would appreciate a logical answer.

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Monkey's from space sent a quasar beam to nuke the spaceships that the Uchiha Clan was in. Pain, being the sexy hero of planet Omik, split in half and used his otherworldy powers to gain the weapon of Thousand Battles. In order to gain that power, his first half, Pain, was the embodiment of his dark powers which he called Babaganooush. His light side, Minato, had the power of Justice and time travel. They both raced to get the weapon to free the Uchiha clan, but Minato had a plan. If he went back in time and stopped Harry Potter from fusing with Ron Weasely, he would have enough time to defeat Mewtwo. This made Uchiha Madera angry, and so he summoned a 9-tailed fox on a village, and pain laughed sitting back, assembling 9 others for his boy-band. Needless to say, the weapon of Babaganooush was never found, and Planet Omik exploded.

Pain is a prince of Saiyens now.

geesh.....

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Originally Posted by pingponglapulapu

what are the chances that they are the same person? from the start of the series especially more recently, they kept on saying great things about him, dont you think its weird for such character to be dead? of course there is this 4th-kyubi-sealing and the supposedly madara-summoning-kyubi as a hole but still the thought wont leave my mind.XD

how did the 4th died anyway? i mean chiyo was alive after sealing ichibi. i cant accept that he just died from a sealing technique. not after they made a big deal out of his name and how genius he was once.

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Chances of Pain and the 4th being the same person. Hmmmm, how about....none. Makes no sense. At all. Why would you become hokage and give up your position to fight a civil war to become the leader of a different village? I think it's more likely that hes the short haired nin that was in the picture of the the 4th & Jirayas original team.

And great characters die all the time. Just because your powerful doesn't mean that there isn't something more powerful. He met something more powerful. The nine tailed fox.

The circumstances for the 4th sealing Kyubi and Chiyo sealing Ichibi are completely different. Chiyo knew what was going to happen and was actually instructed to seal Ichibi. It seems to me that the 4th had to seal Kyubi without any real preparation. Maybe if he knew it was coming or had time to plan he could have sealed it without giving his life.

The chances? how about 0%, if someone cant be pein that is minato, is impossible that he, the good guy, all around wanted to became the bad guy sealing the kyubi on porpuse into his son, and now wants to get it back.....

MAN ARE YOU CRAZY!?