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    Ryoga-san is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    Default Why Sasuke will join Akatsuki [it's a prediction, like it or not]

    There has been some exposition on Sasuke eventually joining the Akatsuki club. But not just Sasuke alone, but team Hebi as a whole. Now look at what we have? Since the second part of the manga started, Akatsuki has suffered some casualties. Starting out with the loss of Sasori (though Tobi got his spot) followed up by Hidan and Kakuzu made nine members turn into seven. Recently Deidara went suicidal and Tobi (with Pain's help) faked his death, leaving 5 members behind. Pain is aware of this loss of members, and as he and Tobi are expecting Sasuke to surpass Itachi, they want this new Sharingan as part of the group.

    Pain are not yet willing to give up on the idea of Akatsuki and he needs to recruit S-rank ninjas to achieve his goal. Though as Tobi has convinced him to expect (and let happen) Itachi's defeat, they know that Sasuke and team Hebi will come after Tobi himself - because he will appear to him during/after the Sasuke and Itachi encounter. This will help Sasuke realize that his mission is not complete even after Itachi's death and he will have to track down Tobi and kill also him. But of course, he will track Tobi to the Hidden Rain.

    Now, why is it that Tobi will become Sasuke's new target? After Itachi told Sasuke to travel to the hideout (the first time, that is), he read about the true past of the Uchiha clan - the part involving Madara summoning the Kyuubi to attack the village. Originally, the secret hideout are only revealed to the successful Uchiha ninjas, those who has mastered the first stage of the Sharingan and is carrying out their duties as a Konoha ninja. Itachi knew that Madara was still alive, but Sasuke never got to know. After Itachi had mastered the Mangekyou Sharingan, he lost all hopes for the Uchiha clan as the true potential of their blood line limit was taboo; and because of it's dangers with Madara's past, it was forbidden to achieve. Itachi joined the Akatsuki club which he knew had a close connection to Madara himself (he knew this because he saw it with his Sharingan in the eyes of Pain). He quickly realized that he couldn't surpass Madara with ambition alone, the only way to surpass him was by revenge. That's why Itachi killed the clan (which he still had no respect for anymore) and made Sasuke into an avenger.

    Itachi will taunt Sasuke through their encounter and Tobi will look over them from a distance. As Sasuke proves his potential by defeating his brother (possibly killing him), Tobi will appear and reveal his true identity and his true goals (don't ask me why but villains tend to do that in shonen). Sasuke gets to know that Itachi killed the clan to empower Sasuke, and still enraged at his brother for the genocide he decides that Tobi must be defeated, so he still can do one good thing for the Uchiha clan. Sasuke has now surpassed the point Itachi was unable to surpass, but he will later in the manga realize that revenge alone won't let him achieve his goal. The main theme of the story is friendship, and Sasuke will grow stronger with ambition to protect Naruto from Madara since Kyuubi is originally his target. Their final encounter with Madara will be Sasuke and Naruto fighting together, side by side, for the sake of the story's underlying message.

    Karin will notice Tobi's chakra and that will be the team's lead towards the Hidden Rain where Tobi and Pain are waiting for their arrival. As they enter, Pain will soon notice their presence with his rain. He will appear before them and defeat them all in battle. But as Hanzou did with the Sannin, Pain will honor their strength and tell Sasuke that his eyes are needed in Akatsuki. Suigetsu (who defeated Kisame outside the Uchiha hideout), Karin and Juugo will also get a spot. Pain has realized their strength and offers Sasuke the mission to claim the 8-tails in order to achieve more powers (though his real reason is the Sharingan which also Tobi understands will surpass Madara's). Sasuke has theories about Tobi influencing Akatsuki and accepts Pain's offer (to his comrades' surprises) in order to get closer to Tobi and at the same time get more power in order to surpass even Madara himself. Team Hebi is against the invitation at first, but follows Sasuke's words. They all have reasons to stay close to him.

    Naruto will later encounter Sasuke in an Akatsuki robe, leading to new intrigues within the storyline. Enraged, Naruto will charge at Sasuke and a minor fight will occur, which will be stopped by Juugo (Sasuke's Akatsuki comrade because Sasuke is needed to keep him in control [Suigetsu and Karin will be paired for the sake of comic relief]) and the Konoha team.
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    ...great, another fanfic. None of this makes sense. There are more reasons for Sasuke to NOT join Akatsuki than there are for him to join. I doubt that Sasuke would want to be a part of anything that is/was associated with his brother. He may see Itachis involvement wit Akatsuki as one of the reasons why he killed his clan.

    But the biggest reason of all in my opinion is this. Sasuke is NOT a bad guy. He's not evil. Never has been, never will be. He was angry and misguided, true. But he has never had any take over the world aspirations. There is absolutely nothing for him to really gain by joining Akatsuki. His goals are

    1) kill Itachi
    2) revive my clan
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    3) get free health care without moving to Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tousen View Post
    ...great, another fanfic. None of this makes sense. There are more reasons for Sasuke to NOT join Akatsuki than there are for him to join. I doubt that Sasuke would want to be a part of anything that is/was associated with his brother. He may see Itachis involvement wit Akatsuki as one of the reasons why he killed his clan.

    But the biggest reason of all in my opinion is this. Sasuke is NOT a bad guy. He's not evil. Never has been, never will be. He was angry and misguided, true. But he has never had any take over the world aspirations. There is absolutely nothing for him to really gain by joining Akatsuki. His goals are

    1) kill Itachi
    2) revive my clan
    and
    3) get free health care without moving to Canada
    You're wrong. He doesn't need to be evil to join Akatsuki. He will get his ass kicked by Pain when entering the Hidden Rain, realizing that joining Akatsuki is his only way of improving enough to be on par with Madara. It's the same reason he had for joining Orochimaru.

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    I think Sasuke doesn't want to fallow the same path his brother did, because he would feel like he was his brother shadow - copying what his greater sibling did. I think he already feels he is superior to his bro and won't do something as insignificant as joining Akatsuki.

    I think they could get new sharingan by just taking his eyeball - Kakashi style

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    The prediction seems quite farfetched lol.

    You self-centered retards who will flame this thread just because it's a prediction that contradicts your hopes, must first look into yourself and realize that I`m superior to you before you make your statements.
    Lol? thats hard to swallow hahaha

    they want this new Sharingan as part of the group
    You think because they will lose Itachi and had some losses they'll openly go up to them and give them invites when its blatantly obvious in your prediction that They knew Sasuke was going to them to kill them?

    they know that Sasuke and team Hebi will come after Tobi himself - because he will appear to him during/after the Sasuke and Itachi encounter.
    Assuming too far ahead isn't it? Unless you're the author I would probably say it might happen that way or it might not. It's very uncertain what will happen should Itachi be killed by Sasuke. Before you discuss about the things we have no idea of why not discuss about the things we do know of. Question yourself this.

    Should Sasuke kill Itachi, what next? Thats been his ultimate goal in life, to kill Itachi in whatever method he can possibly use to kill him. Having fulfilled his final revenge you reckon he will have the motivation to go after someone who isn't Itachi? And generally people who finally achieves their ultimate revenge feels very empty inside, it often doesn't ease their restlessness no more than it did when their target was alive. In that state of mind I don't know if Sasuke will have a clear motive anymore having been through what he wanted to so badly within few pages.

    He will appear before them and offer team Hebi four Akatsuki spots.
    I think the likeliness of that happening is the same possibility of Harry Potter and his goons getting offered a proposition and tattoos in the grim Death Eater LTD. If Sasuke is dead sure on killing Tobi, why does Tobi even bother giving him an invite which will bring him alot closer to him to be in range to kill Tobi? It seems like the very nature of the theory degrades Tobi's thinking patterns to be that of a chipmunk or other dead animals who find themselves runover by a truck at night. I trust someone as evil and cunning as tobi would moreorless likely to have that much sorted out and if someone is after his life he would retaliate in like mannerism towards them than waltzing after them saying "Oh how nice of you to drop by here's 4 Akatsuki badges for you to join our club."

    and Juugo for his weird and boring abilities.
    Lol I think even you doubt this prediction.

    Well I read through your prediction and found some loopholes which I thought was outrageously funny it'd be wrong for me not to write a criticism about it. Find me annoying or whatnot but it is afterall a forum full of freedom of speech propaganda. I would find it stupid if you're willing to write a theory yet you wish not to hear of anything negative against it let alone a critic.


    You're wrong. He doesn't need to be evil to join Akatsuki. He will get his ass kicked by Pain when entering the Hidden Rain, realizing that joining Akatsuki is his only way of improving enough to be on par with Madara. It's the same reason he had for joining Orochimaru.
    Oh just like the time when he got his ass kicked by Sakon? Wouldn't that be an original plot lol. Why would he care about surpassing Madara's sharingan anyway? He accomplished his ultimate goal of revenge, would he need more to pass time? To him i believe Madara is about as insignificant as it gets in comparison to killing his brother. For that very reason he engaged the fight with Akatsuki nothing else. Suigetsu wants Kisame's sword thats the reason he joined so theres even more reason for them to not join them than join them. Unless Pain will go to such lengths to kill Kisame and offer the sword to Suigetsu to get at least one more member in the club. And why would Sasuke join the very organization that his brother joined? He hates his brother to bits and doesn't want anything to do with him. How do we know? Because it showed in his fight with Naruto, he could have killed Naruto but chose not to. He said he doesn't want to be following in the exact same footsteps as his brother because he loathes him more than anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom Miria View Post
    The prediction seems quite farfetched lol.
    Of course it's farfetched, I don't disagree with that. But it's easy to go around that and give reasons as the story goes. We've seen this in this manga earlier. It's not too farfetched if the mangaka comes up with reasons on why it shouldn't be.

    Lol? thats hard to swallow hahaha
    That's a trick of argument. Often used in debates that's not eye-to-eye.

    You think because they will lose Itachi and had some losses they'll openly go up to them and give them invites when its blatantly obvious in your prediction that They knew Sasuke was going to them to kill them?
    This manga is full of "ulterior motives" to everything and anything. And Pain will fight them first of course, to test their capabilities.

    Assuming too far ahead isn't it? Unless you're the author I would probably say it might happen that way or it might not. It's very uncertain what will happen should Itachi be killed by Sasuke. Before you discuss about the things we have no idea of why not discuss about the things we do know of. Question yourself this.
    What's the point of predicting, if not to discuss things we don't know anything of?

    Should Sasuke kill Itachi, what next? Thats been his ultimate goal in life, to kill Itachi in whatever method he can possibly use to kill him. Having fulfilled his final revenge you reckon he will have the motivation to go after someone who isn't Itachi? And generally people who finally achieves their ultimate revenge feels very empty inside, it often doesn't ease their restlessness no more than it did when their target was alive. In that state of mind I don't know if Sasuke will have a clear motive anymore having been through what he wanted to so badly within few pages.
    The secrets of the Uchiha clan has yet to be revealed. Sasuke will kill Itachi nontheless, him having a motive of the genocide or not. It's the truth that will bother Sasuke further, and the truth contains Madara. When Tobi appears, Sasuke will be taunted. Why would his revenge end there?

    I think the likeliness of that happening is the same possibility of Harry Potter and his goons getting offered a proposition and tattoos in the grim Death Eater LTD. If Sasuke is dead sure on killing Tobi, why does Tobi even bother giving him an invite which will bring him alot closer to him to be in range to kill Tobi? It seems like the very nature of the theory degrades Tobi's thinking patterns to be that of a chipmunk or other dead animals who find themselves runover by a truck at night. I trust someone as evil and cunning as tobi would moreorless likely to have that much sorted out and if someone is after his life he would retaliate in like mannerism towards them than waltzing after them saying "Oh how nice of you to drop by here's 4 Akatsuki badges for you to join our club."
    Madara has an ulterior motive as well, to test the full capacity of the Sharingan blood line limit. Itachi was not man enough for the job, perhaps Sasuke is.

    Lol I think even you doubt this prediction.
    Of course I doubt it. It's a prediction. It's not facts.

    Well I read through your prediction and found some loopholes which I thought was outrageously funny it'd be wrong for me not to write a criticism about it. Find me annoying or whatnot but it is afterall a forum full of freedom of speech propaganda. I would find it stupid if you're willing to write a theory yet you wish not to hear of anything negative against it let alone a critic.
    If you want to find loopholes, read the Bible. Who said anything about not wanting to hear negative criticism? I love criticism, and debates makes me horny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryoga-san View Post
    You're wrong. He doesn't need to be evil to join Akatsuki. He will get his ass kicked by Pain when entering the Hidden Rain, realizing that joining Akatsuki is his only way of improving enough to be on par with Madara. It's the same reason he had for joining Orochimaru.
    Hmm...It wouldn't be the same as joining Oro. Joining that pedophile was a given since he had power to offer the vengeful Sasuke. One way or another, oro was going to train Sasuke in order to develope a body sturdy enough, and advanced enough, to allow oro to pursue his demented jutsu collecting and immortality.

    In the case of akatsuki, they just want Sasuke for his eye in order to use him. They won't offer him anything in return in terms of training. If they want him to grow, they'll manipulate him either way so that he gets stronger by some other means and then comes to them. Which seems to be what they're probably doing right now...make itachi piss him off by slaughtering his family (lol....) so that Sasuke will possess the drive necessary to repidly develope his sharingan in time for Akatsuki's devious plans.

    In other words, they want the finished product. I highly doubt that they'll do the spoon-feeding themselves. Come on...Its Akatsuki.
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    the only way i can think of sasuke wanting to go after madara is if he interfere in his match with itachi that will be the only reason and him joining akatsuki make me want to laugh sasuke hates itachi and everything about him that includes akatsuki so there and what do they other have to gain except suigetsu with the sword but other than karin wants to be by sasuke and the other guy(forgot his name) need sasuke to clam him down

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    I have updated the first post with an elaboration I left out yesterday because I had high fever.

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    I also believe that Hebi will join Akatsuki, otherwise akatsuki is finished really.
    I hadn't thought about it in that much depth though.
    Well done!

 

 
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