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    sakura_hana is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    @Miria
    a good leader must have both. remember that leson of the 2nd task of the chuunin exam. it's exactly like iruka said:if you have a weak mind and a strong body, train your mind, if it's the other way aorund train yor body. and it's logical

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    Hence Shikamaru seems like a good candidate. He isn't as strong as the rest of the stars in a head on attack, but give him a moment to think up a strategy and he's more than likely to win in any situation. While his brain surpasses his raw strength that doesn't mean Shikamaru is what I'd call a weakling. In terms of strength I think Chouji beats all in raw strength.

    If he was made Hokage, it isn't like he will fight all the battles by himself. He will have powerful vassals to help him out in tight situations. Ofcourse should he be cornered like the 3rd I guess he'll have to die considering he's trapped alone with Orochimaru. Point is 95% of the time he'll be accompanied by strong ninjas at his disposal should he feel the need to have backups. You put anyone on the Hokage seat and you'll see that he or she has the same resources a Hokage is granted with. In the end intelligence matters tad bit more than what you guys give strength credit for.

    You can look at our histories and you'll find people like Julius Caesar, Zhuge Liang, excellent strategists and great leaders. They didn't need to be exceptionally better at the art of swordplay or other weaponry than the average soldier so what made the big difference? High IQ. The brains affect not only the leader's method of combat but also his vassals perform much better if their leader is great at planning siege, defence and countermeasures should a war arrives at their footstep. All the known fighters could probably perform much better out in the field should someone like Shikamaru command them. Retrieve Sasuke mission was a failure but despite sending Genins out there to fight the sound 5, I would say Shikamaru performed rather well given the situation and circumstances even if the fights themselves were carried out by individuals. In a ratio I would rate it 5-Shikamaru's lead 3-Individual's ability to fight 2-Luck + Further intel on the enemies. Give him enough time and all the intel you can get him, he'd send the most suitable ninja to dispatch any foes.

    Public image? I haven't seen anyone disrespecting Shikamaru and his commands during that team mission, I don't see them starting one now. He is also the one sent to the Sand as Leaf's envoy from time to time doesn't that already tell you that Konoha is happy with Shikamaru representing their village?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom Miria View Post
    In terms of strength I think Chouji beats all in raw strength.
    his jutsus are the most unefficent.

    If he was made Hokage, it isn't like he will fight all the battles by himself. He will have powerful vassals to help him out in tight situations. Ofcourse should he be cornered like the 3rd I guess he'll have to die considering he's trapped alone with Orochimaru.
    see? ppl need to think they can trust their hokage will not let them down, will win the fight with the head of the bad guys and that they should help him by taking care of the rest. because if their hokage dies in battle, the whole village will be left open. it's strategy. and also psychology: they need to count on their leader. if he has the brains but not the jutsus he might lose a hard battle against someone with a lot of jutsus up his sleave.

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    will win the fight with the head of the bad guys
    3rd died in the line of battle against Orochimaru, does that make him a horrible Hokage? He also let the people down by losing his life against Orochimaru and left the village wide open for any kind of open warfare against other villages. Does that explain that the 3rd couldn't be counted on as their leader? It was a tight situation, carefully elaborated plan that killed someone as high ranking and powerful as the 3rd and on top of this Orochimaru had help of others(Sand village nins) to further increase mayhem so no1 else can come near his fight with the 3rd's assassination. If I add one more element, it was the element of surprise that caught them offguard and they had no intel on who was their enemy and who wasn't. Given that situation the 3rd had very little chances of survival and I would think with that much planning even Akatsuki members would have been killed off easily.

    if their hokage dies in battle, the whole village will be left open
    There is absolutely no full guarantee that a Hokage will live even if they are as strong as 3rd. Putting anyone else on the spotlight like Neji, Lee, Naruto I think any of them could have died not just Shikamaru.

    What I don't understand is how you see Shikamaru as someone who can't be relied upon or counted on. Because he has inferior jutsu he can't be relied upon? I think you're only looking into the whole strongest ninja idea becomes Hokage thing. Being a Hokage requires more than just being a strong ninjas otherwise we would have been seeing at least half the members of Akatsuki having been Ex-Kages in random villages but we don't. Theres more political sides of being one than actual frontline combat. The day I trust your theory of leader must always be stronger than his normal citizens will be the day I see Presidents of America lifting a piano with a pinky or the heiress to Queen Elizabeth having the ability to crush boulders with her headbutt.

    Point is, you're highly underestimating Shikamaru not only as a great strategist but also as a fighter. Who knows if he'll become that strong when he is as old as the 3rd? He's already not categorised as a weak ninja since he was able to kill a Akatsuki all on his own. I don't see Naruto doing that, instead he charges off and almost get his arm disabled by his own stupidly strong jutsu.

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    oh, come on, how could you totally misunderstand what i'm trying to say?=))
    the exmple with the 3rd was the worst possible example although i was expecting it. he was OLD. ppl die. they get old and die. it's not really awesome but it happens.
    i think in those chapters when he fought orochimaru each and every one of those who watched the fight(including orochimaru, that monkey the 3rd summoned etc) said this: he would have won if it wasn't for his age, but he was a wonderful hokage.
    and btw he wasn't even supposed to be hokage...i mean the 4th died that was the problem..

    and about shikamaru. for heaven's sake i didn't say he's worthless. i actually like him very much .and yes, he's a genius!! it doesn't get much smarter than him but hey, a leader has to ballance his brains and his strength. that's all i'm saying.
    and look at the facts: he wasn't smart enough to take 2 those 2 akatsuki member. asuma was killed and they lost. know why? because you don't always have the data you need about your enemy so you can come up with a perfect plan to kick their ass.,


    so yes you soemtimes DO need strenght.another example would be the fight with the sound girl, as i said before.

    Edit: 1.and for christ's sake i'm not supporting naruto's stupidity
    2.i'm actually supporting shikamaru as being the future hokage. i just want him to streghten his jutsus so he could be fit
    Last edited by sakura_hana; 09-22-2007 at 05:32 PM. Reason: Naruto issue.

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    Neji is probably much stronger than Shikamaru and he's a pretty smart kid too. I don't see why then Tsunade ordered Shikamaru to be their leader and not Neji. Neji is a well balanced fighter with pretty good strategy, but why was he not picked as a chuunin during the exam? Instead they picked the guy with brains but lacked alot in fighting. I can't remember Iruka saying you have to train both body and mind but if that was how they were examined how does shikamaru who had the mind covered but not the body become the only chuunin? what did they see in a leader who isn't strong enough to defend himself?

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    At the time Neji didn't work well with others and Shikamaru was a chunnin (all others were gennin). Neji is well balanced but he is not nearly the strategist that Shikamaru is. Tsunade would have known that they would need a good strategy for 1 new chunnin and 4 gennin to be able to take on guys sent bu Orochimaru.

    And Neji wasn't picked because he lost to Naruto. He didn't take him seriously. He underestimated an opponent and lost. Not a good quality for a chunin. Shikamaru on the other hand was fighting someone who was supposed to have taken the exam the year before and was expected to beat his ass. He basically dominated her from the middle of the fight onward. He could have won his fight but he took too long to get motivated and he didn't want to hurt a girl. Plus it was too much trouble. His problem was never lack of ability...just laziness.

    But I think Shikamaru needs to train his skills in terms of fighting more. The hokage is expected to be able to handle themselves in a fight both when they have data on the opponent and when they have none. Even thought the 3rd was fighting Orochimaru the others knew he could at least hold his own. When Gaara fought Deidara, the people believed that he would win without a doubt. They need a hokage that they can have that kind of confidence in.

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    ^ Not to mention the fact that Nejis abilities arent nearly as support based as shikamarus. Yes the byakugan can help detect enemies, but other than that, his obscenely good defense only really protects himself, whereas shikamaru has both the analytical abilities and the jutsu to protect his comrades.

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    exactly what Tousen said PLUS:
    think about this: a chuunin has his own team as backup. he doesn't do difficult missions on it's own. shikamaru's jutsus are perfect for a tem strategy! that's the point.that plus his brains that can compensate for almost anything. but all this is for the chuunin grade. not for a hokage.

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    Shikamaru is a good candidate for Hokage... but I doubt he would want to be Hokage unless there is no other choice.

 

 
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