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    AtrumIncendia is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius View Post
    Theoretically yes!

    BUT! Big but here, when you make a bushin you divide your chakra evenly between the clones, we don't know exactly how much does he needs to use MS, but we know its more then 30% of his total chakra..
    well i think hes talking about the kage bunshin jutsu. mangekyou sharingan uses up alot of chakra, and chakra isn't exactly equally distrubuted, so he the bunshins may be able to use out but probably not as long as the original itachi.

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    i think it more boils down to whether a clone can use a bloodline limit doesnt it? i think that fake itachi couldnt use his ms because it wasnt itachi's real body and only possessed itachi's knowledge rather than the amount of chakra it had.kbs might be a different story though. and yeah i think kbs can use jutsu's because the bunshins have in the past made more of themselves

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    Pein's cloning technique is different. It can copy bloodline limits... in fact it can copy everything about the person you wish to clone, including unique weapons like the Samehada. Kage Bunshin's properties of replicating are different, but I don't know the exact details of it. It may be possible that the only difference with Kage Bunshin (copy yourself) and Pein's Dopel (turn someone into you) is how its done and maintained.

    In terms of why the clone couldn't do it is because using Mangekyou uses lots of chakra. I've heard that MS can only be used by Itachi at most 3 times a day, so we can assume that it costs a approximately 30% of his chakra capacity. During the Itachi encounter, it was stated that only 30% of Itachi's chakra would be used for the clone. In other words, if the clone would have done MS during the fight with Kakashi it would have ceased to exist immediately after using it because it would have 0 chakra left. That would have defeated the purpose of delaying Kakashi's team.
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    not completely convinced about that yet, especially since i dont really know that much about samehada and what it can and cant do. for instance is its returning to kisame something it does on its own or some kind of technique of kisame's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by squigeyjoe View Post
    i think it more boils down to whether a clone can use a bloodline limit doesnt it? i think that fake itachi couldnt use his ms because it wasnt itachi's real body and only possessed itachi's knowledge rather than the amount of chakra it had.kbs might be a different story though. and yeah i think kbs can use jutsu's because the bunshins have in the past made more of themselves
    yeah but what about kakashi? when he cloned himself in his fights against itachi, he was still able to use the sharingan.

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    like i said kbs might be a different story as their real bodies so they would share the same abilities as the original. on another note has it actually been stated that itachi can only use the ms 3 times cause of its chakra consumption? couldnt it just be that the strain is too great on his eyes to risk doing it more than 3 times?

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    ^ not.. only that he used tsukiyomi and amaterasu on one day and had to rest.. so two times aparently

    Same ammount that Kakashi can do his, but if he does he colapses.

    And like I said, Naruto Bushin CAN develop tails.. something that is sealed inside the original, so MS should be usable by a bushin, but the consumption is too high..

    And I never heard of you giving less chakra to a bushin.. only dividing it equaly.
    Even Sandaime, when he did the bushins, he divided some chakra in three and created, but because he was old some chakra was lost.. (he didn't do it properly) but all 3 had same ammount
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    KBs are exact copies of the user, the chakra is divided equally, and as far as i know, they can use any jutsu or whatever the user can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius View Post
    ^ not.. only that he used tsukiyomi and amaterasu on one day and had to rest.. so two times aparently

    Same ammount that Kakashi can do his, but if he does he colapses.

    And like I said, Naruto Bushin CAN develop tails.. something that is sealed inside the original, so MS should be usable by a bushin, but the consumption is too high..

    And I never heard of you giving less chakra to a bushin.. only dividing it equaly.
    Even Sandaime, when he did the bushins, he divided some chakra in three and created, but because he was old some chakra was lost.. (he didn't do it properly) but all 3 had same ammount
    naruto's clones developing a tail probably has to do with the kyuubi's chakra more then the kyuubi itself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by omendezcr View Post
    KBs are exact copies of the user, the chakra is divided equally, and as far as i know, they can use any jutsu or whatever the user can.
    Exactly..

    I see that the difference from Shapeshift jutsu and Bushins is simple

    You control your shapeshift, while the bushin has a somewhat mind of its own..
    And the shapeshift has any set ammount of chakra, while the bushin has exactly a fraction of the owner chakra

    And both are capable of using Kekkeis genkais given that the clone has enough chakra..
    MS 30% is not enough.. so it should go somewhere between 40-50%
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