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    Exactly. We are actually being pretty nice and telling you to back your thoughts up with proof from the manga or prepare for alot of criticism. Alot of people here have gotten worse.

    It's not that I didn't want to read your topic and just come in and start flamming; it's that I read it and got the same idea and information (or lack of) several other topics have presented.

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    well, just for the hell of it,i'll put what we know(or can easily guess) here.

    itachi TOLD sasuke that he killed them all.and this is probably the only fact that supports the opinion that he killed them all.he CONFESSED.

    points supporting itachi-didnt-do-it:
    1.)he was not shown attacking anyone except sasuke.there's no blood on him,none of the signs that show he's done any fighting.
    2.)he (supposedly)killed the whole clan.he was exhausted fighting three guys,he couldn't have killed them all and still had enough chakra to use MS on sasuke.twice.
    3.)itachi said that killing your best friend was a requirement for MS,but he might have lied or been mistaken.maybe shisui was the bad guy.if what itachi said was true,then how did kakashi get MS?
    4.)itachi has never shown any intention of killing anyone.the tsukiyomi doesnt kill.against kakashi and jounins,he stalled until help arrived.against jiraiya,he ran.and in sasuke's flashbacks itachi is shown as a nice guy.

    speculation:

    he probably guessed that whoever killed the clan was very powerful,so its very much possible that the perp was one of the ten most uber guys there is.
    and regardless of whether akatsuki's plan actually succeeds,he may have a chance to find him.
    he probably knows that whoever killed the clan has the sharingan.maybe the killer impersonated itachi.this could be the third person that itachi was talking about.
    strong hints in later chapters about this being tobi\madara\obito(the identity is debatable,but thats another thread).

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    Quote Originally Posted by elnino19 View Post
    well, just for the hell of it,i'll put what we know(or can easily guess) here.

    itachi TOLD sasuke that he killed them all.and this is probably the only fact that supports the opinion that he killed them all.he CONFESSED.

    points supporting itachi-didnt-do-it:
    1.)he was not shown attacking anyone except sasuke.there's no blood on him,none of the signs that show he's done any fighting.

    Didn't he have a bloody sword in his hand? Besides, it's not like they knew he was coming. H obviously wouldn't fight the entire village in an all out brawl. He used his ANBU training and caught everyone unaware. No need to get bloody then.

    2.)he (supposedly)killed the whole clan.he was exhausted fighting three guys,he couldn't have killed them all and still had enough chakra to use MS on sasuke.twice.

    The only time I remember him being "exhausted" is after fighting Jiraya. Thats because he had used MS on Kakashi and then had to use it again to escape. Plus he made the clones before. Countered Kurenais genjutsu. Beat up on Sasuke. Walked for god knows how long (all these dudes do is walk). And I wouldn't say he was exhausted still. He could have kept going but he's smart. He knew it would be difficult to take on Jiraya when he wasn't at full strength and didn't want to attract any more attention.

    3.)itachi said that killing your best friend was a requirement for MS,but he might have lied or been mistaken.maybe shisui was the bad guy.if what itachi said was true,then how did kakashi get MS?

    It's obviously not the ONLY way, but it was probably the easiest. Plus if Sasuke was able to kill his best friend it would be a way for Itachi to test his determination and resolve to get stronger. His whole point was for Sasuke to get as strong as he could so that they could fight and Itachi could continue to test his capacity.

    4.)itachi has never shown any intention of killing anyone.the tsukiyomi doesnt kill.against kakashi and jounins,he stalled until help arrived.against jiraiya,he ran.and in sasuke's flashbacks itachi is shown as a nice guy.

    Trying to avoid major/pointless confrontations. He seems to be all about accomplishing the mission with no complications. He was a nice guy, but his change to who he is now was somewhat gradual.

    speculation:

    he probably guessed that whoever killed the clan was very powerful,so its very much possible that the perp was one of the ten most uber guys there is.
    and regardless of whether akatsuki's plan actually succeeds,he may have a chance to find him.
    he probably knows that whoever killed the clan has the sharingan.maybe the killer impersonated itachi.this could be the third person that itachi was talking about.
    strong hints in later chapters about this being tobi\madara\obito(the identity is debatable,but thats another thread).
    I think he did it. He was probably either aware of or in contact with the other MS user he was talking about. Maybe that person is the one who had been influencing Itachi to turn against the clan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tousen
    Didn't he have a bloody sword in his hand? Besides, it's not like they knew he was coming. H obviously wouldn't fight the entire village in an all out brawl. He used his ANBU training and caught everyone unaware. No need to get bloody then.


    The only time I remember him being "exhausted" is after fighting Jiraya. Thats because he had used MS on Kakashi and then had to use it again to escape. Plus he made the clones before. Countered Kurenais genjutsu. Beat up on Sasuke. Walked for god knows how long (all these dudes do is walk). And I wouldn't say he was exhausted still. He could have kept going but he's smart. He knew it would be difficult to take on Jiraya when he wasn't at full strength and didn't want to attract any more attention.
    he didnt have the bloody sword,that was genjutsu.
    he killed the clan when he was thirteen,he is considerably stronger now.
    even then,with kisame with him,he doesn't need to run away.if he had enough to use amaterasu,he could have MSed jiraiya


    but i like the he did it theory better,im just trying to make this thread worth something.

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    ^ we don't know how amaterasu works..
    It can be exactly the same how Kakashi's MS work.. he look focus, and boom or maybe its a "kamehameha thingy"

    Looking back at the scene, the floor is not burned, thats why I belive its a sphere thingy, then a "kamehameha" because the floor would be burned too, since the sidewalls are also not burned we can say the radius of the amaterasu is roughly two people side by side!

    I'd say, Jiraya would escape it...

    And No I think he was stronger at 13.. the power curve, I think he was at his best at the age of 13 now he is strong but not as strong as he was

    Just because you killed people you don't need to decapitate them and bathe in their blood.. they are NINJAS!!! Stealth kills, come slash next, slash.. go on.
    Plus the clan was uchiha but very few had ninja training, and even less had Sharingan!
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    lol you saying the 13yr old itachi would beat the present day one?
    If uve gotta draw the line sumwhere, make sure its drawn in pencil

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    Why not? he had MS already.
    The only think the 13yr old would lack would be chackra... it could have less chakra then the present one.

    But the yonger one wouldn't have bad eyesight like the older one..

    He was ANBU captain, its not like he was a Naruto/Sasuke.. he was a KAKASHI at that level + True sharingan + MS
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    Him being stronger at 13 than he is now makes no sense to me. Physically he would be stronger now. He would also be faster. He would also have more experience.

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    I thought when you age you get slower..
    Experience? he had plenty! He was also no ordinary kid he was doing S rank missions!
    Just saying that he at 13 was at his best form..

    Its very probable he didn't have Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi, maybe not even any..

    Its just an expeculation all of this.. Based on Sandaime.
    He had lots of experience, but because of his age his chakra was fucked up..
    Couldn't do a bushin to save his life!
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