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    vemynal is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    forgive me this, since I'm sure its been discussed before though i've never seen it.

    But What if Tobi's plan to to unite all the tailed beasts of legend and create a Jinchurikii (possibly himself) that contains all 9?

    We've seen the power of just 1 of the beast and its astounding

    all 9 together?

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    i dont think any human body would be able to contain all nine tailed beasts. they'd probably die from it

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    For those who speak japanese, it depends whether you divide the phrase into "[kono Uchiha Madara] [no chikara] ga" or "[kono Uchiha Madara no chikara] ga". Japanese is a tricky language, context makes things complicated.
    Not really

    Its already divided


    Kono Uchiha madara no
    chikara ga

    The「が」(ga) particle identifies a specific property of something.

    That would be of Tobi, property that he possess that of uchiha madara power

    So, Tobi possess the power of Uchiha madara.. so "My power, Uchiha madara power" is the right translation, not that he is Madara himself, merely that he have the same power as madara
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    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius View Post
    Not really

    Its already divided


    Kono Uchiha madara no
    chikara ga

    The「が」(ga) particle identifies a specific property of something.

    That would be of Tobi, property that he possess that of uchiha madara power

    So, Tobi possess the power of Uchiha madara.. so "My power, Uchiha madara power" is the right translation, not that he is Madara himself, merely that he have the same power as madara
    I agree, this is how I translated it and how my Japanese friend translated it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcane Azmadi View Post
    On a related note, does anyone else wonder how Tobi got from the battlefield to Paine and the AK's location so quickly? Or how he survived Deidara's self-destruction? I have 2 theories, a simple and boring one and a more advanced and interesting one:

    The simple and boring theory is that he teleported away. Blah.

    The advanced and interesting theory is that Tobi wasn't actually present at the battlefield all along. He was instead maintaining a very highly advanced form of bunshin that would act on his behalf in all situations in daily life, at any range. It had 100% of his power, or at least enough to be convincing, and was human in every respect apart from being notably tougher (hence its survival when Sasuke slashed him) and would not dissipate when struck. Although it was linked to Tobi, this bunshin may have had autonymous action and possibly even its own personality, explaining why it acted differently from Tobi himself. It was actually destroyed in Deidara's explosion, causing Tobi to start moving himself again. Tobi himself was actually quite near Paine and the AK all along.

    Of course, I only made up this theory because I thought it was more interesting. I don't even really believe it myself. But it would sure make an interesting power for Tobi to have.
    Pein made clones of Itachi and Kisame that were so accurate to the originals abilities that the Itachi clone also had his bloodline-limit and 30% of his chakra. Your second theory may be correct, but I doubt it. If he's so powerful than it would've been easier to just escape the explosion or any other danger he would face. Plus in the last chapter the unknown woman said "he's arrived" if he had a clone in battle he would of been there not arrived.
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    hmm so is there no new chapter this wk? i can't handle theories for 2 wks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGambit View Post
    Pein made clones of Itachi and Kisame that were so accurate to the originals abilities that the Itachi clone also had his bloodline-limit and 30% of his chakra. Your second theory may be correct, but I doubt it. If he's so powerful than it would've been easier to just escape the explosion or any other danger he would face.
    yeah but they used human sacrafices, although thats totally do-able on tobi's behalf i just don't see that as being the reasoning behind his slickness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGambit View Post
    Pein made clones of Itachi and Kisame that were so accurate to the originals abilities that the Itachi clone also had his bloodline-limit and 30% of his chakra. Your second theory may be correct, but I doubt it. If he's so powerful than it would've been easier to just escape the explosion or any other danger he would face. Plus in the last chapter the unknown woman said "he's arrived" if he had a clone in battle he would of been there not arrived.
    Like I said, I doubt my theory is correct too, but not because of your reasoning. Paine's technique doesn't create perfect clones of the members, as they're much weaker, as well as being strictly temporary since Kisame and Itachi had to concentrate to control them directly. Besides, what do you mean "if he's so powerful"? I don't see what having a powerful clone technique has to do with being able to escape a virtual atom bomb. Also, if he allowed the clone to escape there's the possibility of it being tracked (Kiba has found Sasuke after all). Finally, I never said he was hiding his real body at the same place as Paine and the AK- no matter where he was he still has to "arrive", whether it's from the battlefield or from the restroom.
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    If he's so powerful then there would be no reason that I can think of for him to be using a clone at all times is what I meant.

    I know you didn't say he was with them, but in the same chapter Pein had left to go to that place to meet him. If he was using a clone he could have already been there. Now that we know he's Tobi we can assume he just returned from the battlefield.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGambit View Post
    If he's so powerful then there would be no reason that I can think of for him to be using a clone at all times is what I meant.

    I know you didn't say he was with them, but in the same chapter Pein had left to go to that place to meet him. If he was using a clone he could have already been there. Now that we know he's Tobi we can assume he just returned from the battlefield.
    Wrong again. I never said Tobi was all-powerful and anyway, before he's powerful he is first and foremost secretive. That's why he was playing the role of a minor subordinate in Akatsuki -even Zetsu didn't know his true nature- and has apparently just fake his own death.

    And secondly, Paine didn't go anywhere. He was just sitting around (which appears to be his hobby) and the AK notified him than Tobi had arrived.

    I have to wonder why Kishimoto ever even bothered to conceal Tobi in the shadows in chapter 363, given that he (AND his true nature, albeit not his true identity) are revealed in the very next chapter. Probably because he revealed Paine in 363 and didn't want him to be upstaged, although I don't know why he bothered doing this either.
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