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    Sion4ever is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Thumbs down Akatsuki, tailed beasts, rings

    remember the eyes of akatsukis sealing statue?
    they kinda piss me off
    cuz it seems the tailed beasts (aka bijū) have their corresponding places among those...
    so far we know where the ichibi, nibi, sanbi and yonbi are sealed:

    [1]_[X]____[X]_[0]
    _______[0]
    [2]_[X]____[3]_[4]

    [X] - unknown bijū (sealed)
    [0] - unknown bijū

    since everything is going according to their plan capturing the bijū up to the eight-tails to ensure the balance and since we already know that this is important because the kyuubi is the strongest bijū - it's safe to assume that kyuubi has its place right in the middle

    [1]_[X]____[X]_[0]
    _______[9]
    [2]_[X]____[3]_[4]

    well.. i kind of thought this through and among all possibilities only a few did actually make sense (in a way..)
    it's the balance-thing kisame mentioned... i thought to allocate the bijū equally among both sides
    in short the seven-tails und the eight-tails go to the left and the five- and six-tails to the right; both sides now have the sum 18
    e.g.:

    [1]_[7]____[5]_[6]
    _______[9]
    [2]_[8]____[3]_[4]

    unfortunately we don't have much info on the other bijū..
    except maybe a clue on the eight-tails
    most of you probably know already.. to sum it up:
    there's a mystical beasts in the japanese mythology named Yamata-no-Orochi (en: Eight-Forked Serpent; it was said to have eight heads and eight tail) which was slayed by Susa-no-o, revealing the legendary sword Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi in the middle tail..
    sasukes sword is called kusangi... well.. call me crazy but i think it might be possible (the chances are low.. of course) sasuke got that sword from orochimaru who on the other hand was a member of an organization collecting the nine bijū (world domination tour)
    which is maybe a clue that the eight-tails was already sealed

    of course it's just a theory (an old one at that) but it matched my balance
    so the only clue on the eight-tails is that it was slayed since sasuke has the kusanagi which indicates that it's already sealed inside the statue

    what are the gains of that? well my guess on the last bijū is that it has to be the five- or six-tails

    too bad i don't know any mystical beasts with 5 or 6 tails^^
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nese_mythology
    didn't give me a clear answer either...

    on other forums people wrote about Raijū as the six-tailed beast which would be cool... but dunno.. never heard of Raijū having six tails....

    Lord of the Rings:
    have yet to come to a conclusion regarding akatsukis rings.. at first i thought those rings gotta correspond to the bijū in a way - maybe they are necessary to the sealing part.. since you've got to have a ring 2 be a member
    then again.. why did akatsuki which seems to be far more powerful than orochimaru let him keep his ring? it seems they don't need it..
    if each ring was to correspond a bijū or was needed to seal the corresponding bijū then there are two options:
    - each ring (except for ALs ring since this one is saying "Zero") corresponds a bijū and is NEEDED to seal it... orochimaru was allowed to keep his since they already sealed the corresponding bijū (orochi)
    - the rings are only needed to be able to seal the bijū nothing more

    the first option would be okay i think
    the second one is the one i don't like or accept.. xD
    the rings are all unique and have words engraved (which are either japanese gods or chinese constellations).. they are also worn on the finger the members have their place on the statue
    well i looked into each of the symbols.. and kinda tried to compare it with the individual targets as its quite clear that itachis target is the nine-tails

    Itachi - right ring finger - Vermillion Bird <--> Nine-tailed Demon Fox
    Kisame - left ring finger - Sagittarius <--> Four Tails ???
    Deidara - right index finger - Azure Dragon <--> Shukaku or Three-Tails ???
    Tobi/Sasori - left thumb - Virgin <--> Shukaku or Three-Tails ???

    it's quite difficult to get a clear answer from those...
    e.g. Virgin or Virgo has 3 bright stars.. well tobi did engage the 3tails.. and in the sasori/deidara vs gaara part sasori almost did nothing
    which would mean Tobi/Sasoris target is the sanbi and deidaras shukaku
    but here comes the real problem.. the rings of deidara, itachi, zetsu und the bluehair.. they're called the four symbols of the chinese constellations and all of them have 7 stars

    and of course: kisames ring - Sagittarius has 7 bright stars.. which doesn't really help either


    i don't think kishimoto just took random symbols.. there IS probably a reason behind this and well i have also fun researching a bit

    well atleast i'm pretty sure now that it's either the sixtails or the fivetails^^

    btw if you try to balance out each side in the only way possible (6+3=5+4 and 1+8=2+7) you get the five-tails

    [1]_[8]____[6]_[5]
    _______[9]
    [2]_[7]____[3]_[4]

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    which seems to be far more powerful than orochimaru let him keep his ring? it seems they don't need it..
    Oro took his severed hand and ran..I think it was a big surprice Akatsuki to find out that Oro. attacked Itachi and thus left the group. They have probaly been seaching for him, maybe thats why sasori planted that spy (kabuto) in the first place, so that they could get their ring back..
    But I agree on that the rings without doubt ahve something to do with the sealing...but so far its no problem for them to seal the beasts..

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    one problem. they only have (presumably) 1-6. Not all but the 9 tails.


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    Please don't bother. Simple rule: If it wasn't in the manga, it doesn't count.

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    ^ He's judging it by the eyes I would assume.

    I haven't checked in recent memory but seven would seem about right.

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    well of course i am... every time they sealed a bijū an eye opened
    they now have 7 bijū and this is out of the question^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by adonai View Post
    ^ He's judging it by the eyes I would assume.

    I haven't checked in recent memory but seven would seem about right.
    Well we went thru this long time ago... to be exact then they captured Gaara, so we assumed they already captured bijus, on the time skip.

    But first I'll say you are wrong on the positions..

    Before gaara was sealed the statue had two open eyes

    [ ] [ ] [X] [ ]
    - - -[ ]
    [ ] [X] [ ] [ ]

    Look: CH. 256 Pg 16

    And Gaara was sealed in the second eye top left to right

    [ ] [1] [X] [ ]
    - - -[ ]
    [ ] [X] [ ] [ ]

    Look: CH. 261 Pg. 15


    Then I've looked over when they sealed the 2nd, and 3rd you couldn't see the eyes..
    They captured the 1,2,3,4.. plus two they already had, minus naruto. leaving only 2 more free..


    Since we also only know the position on the 1st its hard to guess what eye is what.. AL said that the nine needed to be sealed last to not crumble his statue, so we can make them in a pattern to balance the power

    8 1 7 2
    - -9
    3 6 4 5

    8+1 7+2
    - = 9
    3+6 4+5

    Or really any variation you can think of considering
    [ ] [1] [X] [ ]
    - - -[ ]
    [ ] [X] [ ] [ ]

    X can't be 2-3-4

    Until we see more of the statue, we can't make any concrete solution..

    From the conversation, they sealed one biju WITH Orochimaru, they complained about it when sealed gaara.

    That lead me to belive that they captured one jinchuuriki and one biju.
    The biju was easy to seal, but they ran into problems sealing the Jinchuuriki. (with orochimaru) Thats why they didn't capture naruto.. and took about 3 years for them to figure out to extract correctly the biju.. and orochimaru left..
    "Chile is a thin and tall country"

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    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius View Post
    But first I'll say you are wrong on the positions..
    thats where you're mistaken xD


    [X]_[1]____[X]_[0]
    _______[0]
    [2]_[X]____[3]_[4]

    #2: 332
    #3: 331
    #4: 354

    though i gotta admit i put gaara in the wrong one which doesnt really change the fact that #7 and #8 are on the left side
    which on the other hand leaves the last bij&#251; #5 or #6


    btw because of gaara being in the right eye and not in the left.. it's possible to balance it this way:

    [7]_[1]____[6]_[5]
    _______[9]
    [2]_[8]____[3]_[4]

    upright: 7+2=9, 1+8=9, 6+3=9, 5+4=9
    well and sums: 18 & 18
    funny how they sum up to 9..
    Last edited by Sion4ever; 06-24-2007 at 02:02 PM.

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    We have 9 spaces, with we can fill with 2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9, right?
    That means we have 9 elements with a sequence of 8: P(9,

    P(9, =
    9! / (9-! =
    (1&#183;2&#183;3&#183;4&#183;5&#183;6&#183;7&#183; 8&#183;9) / (1) =
    1&#183;2&#183;3&#183;4&#183;5&#183;6&#183;7&#183;8 &#183;9 =
    362.880

    You know what that means?
    you can arrange the numbers in 362.880 unique combinations!!
    Pretty hard to filter all that.. Even if we knew 1-2-3-4, we'd still have 15.120 combinations.

    Of course we could narrow down soon we get a pattern, like you did..
    18 on each side..
    Or like mine, 9 adding the right number.

    Until then.. all expeculation
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    ...

    ._.;

    Math and Naruto, well this is a first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demi_god View Post
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    ._.;

    Math and Naruto, well this is a first.
    Some uses deiths and faith.. I use logic and math^^
    "Chile is a thin and tall country"

 

 
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