# Thread: Akatsuki, tailed beasts, rings

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take a look at japflap.com 's theory on sealing of tailed beasts. this should help fuel some inspirations

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nice, same way i balanced it out^^

oh and btw people.. stop arguing cuz judging by the eyes there ARE only 2 bij&#251; left.. just check the last pic we actually saw from this statue (i think 354)

and regarding math...
of course there are more possibilities (precisely 24 since we already know 1-4 and can assume that 9 is in the middle, which leaves 5,6,7,8 -> 4!) than that BUT the only ones wich make a sense (to kind of establish some balance) are those 18 <-> 18 sides

also:
this is not a theory... it's the most logical pattern

i still kind of doubt kakashi or whitefang being the gobi... come on... whitefang wasn't hated before he abandoned his mission, on the contrary he was a hero!
but after... he was disgraced and even hated by the comrades he has saved.. thats nowhere near being a jinchuriki
kakashi wearing his mask to hide fangs... hmm i don't remember but i actually saw sth like this in another manga/anime
still.. i can't believe it .. it's just based on nothing >.<
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Originally Posted by irecinius
Some uses deiths and faith.. I use logic and math^^
Logic tells me that the amount of possible sequences must be a whole number, so you've probably done something wrong.

Unless, of course, you meant to put separators instead of decimal points? I didn't bother actually doing any calculations.

EDIT: Yeah, the total amount of possible combinations (assuming that we didn't know ANY of the locations) is 362,880. Given that we have confirmed some of the locations (and have narrowed down others) the amount of possible combinations should be considerably less.

EDIT 2: Given that we've confirmed the places of four of the bijuu and that we have narrowed down the Kyuubi's spot to one of the two remaining blank eyes (and disregarding any assumptions that were made earlier in the thread about the other 4 bijuu), the possible amount of combinations is 48. If you were to assume that the Kyuubi will be sealed in the middle eye, then Sion4ever would be right in saying that there are 24 combinations.

Like any of that really matters or has anything to do with the topic... I just felt like doing some math for some reason.
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Originally Posted by Sion4ever
remember the eyes of akatsukis sealing statue?
they kinda piss me off
cuz it seems the tailed beasts (aka bijū) have their corresponding places among those...
so far we know where the ichibi, nibi, sanbi and yonbi are sealed:

[1]_[X]____[X]_[0]
_______[0]
[2]_[X]____[3]_[4]

[X] - unknown bijū (sealed)
[0] - unknown bijū

since everything is going according to their plan capturing the bijū up to the eight-tails to ensure the balance and since we already know that this is important because the kyuubi is the strongest bijū - it's safe to assume that kyuubi has its place right in the middle

[1]_[X]____[X]_[0]
_______[9]
[2]_[X]____[3]_[4]

well.. i kind of thought this through and among all possibilities only a few did actually make sense (in a way..)
it's the balance-thing kisame mentioned... i thought to allocate the bijū equally among both sides
in short the seven-tails und the eight-tails go to the left and the five- and six-tails to the right; both sides now have the sum 18
e.g.:

[1]_[7]____[5]_[6]
_______[9]
[2]_[8]____[3]_[4]

unfortunately we don't have much info on the other bijū..
except maybe a clue on the eight-tails
most of you probably know already.. to sum it up:
there's a mystical beasts in the japanese mythology named Yamata-no-Orochi (en: Eight-Forked Serpent; it was said to have eight heads and eight tail) which was slayed by Susa-no-o, revealing the legendary sword Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi in the middle tail..
sasukes sword is called kusangi... well.. call me crazy but i think it might be possible (the chances are low.. of course) sasuke got that sword from orochimaru who on the other hand was a member of an organization collecting the nine bijū (world domination tour)
which is maybe a clue that the eight-tails was already sealed

of course it's just a theory (an old one at that) but it matched my balance
so the only clue on the eight-tails is that it was slayed since sasuke has the kusanagi which indicates that it's already sealed inside the statue

what are the gains of that? well my guess on the last bijū is that it has to be the five- or six-tails

too bad i don't know any mystical beasts with 5 or 6 tails^^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nese_mythology
didn't give me a clear answer either...

on other forums people wrote about Raijū as the six-tailed beast which would be cool... but dunno.. never heard of Raijū having six tails....

Lord of the Rings:
have yet to come to a conclusion regarding akatsukis rings.. at first i thought those rings gotta correspond to the bijū in a way - maybe they are necessary to the sealing part.. since you've got to have a ring 2 be a member
then again.. why did akatsuki which seems to be far more powerful than orochimaru let him keep his ring? it seems they don't need it..
if each ring was to correspond a bijū or was needed to seal the corresponding bijū then there are two options:
- each ring (except for ALs ring since this one is saying "Zero") corresponds a bijū and is NEEDED to seal it... orochimaru was allowed to keep his since they already sealed the corresponding bijū (orochi)
- the rings are only needed to be able to seal the bijū nothing more

the first option would be okay i think
the second one is the one i don't like or accept.. xD
the rings are all unique and have words engraved (which are either japanese gods or chinese constellations).. they are also worn on the finger the members have their place on the statue
well i looked into each of the symbols.. and kinda tried to compare it with the individual targets as its quite clear that itachis target is the nine-tails

Itachi - right ring finger - Vermillion Bird <--> Nine-tailed Demon Fox
Kisame - left ring finger - Sagittarius <--> Four Tails ???
Deidara - right index finger - Azure Dragon <--> Shukaku or Three-Tails ???
Tobi/Sasori - left thumb - Virgin <--> Shukaku or Three-Tails ???

it's quite difficult to get a clear answer from those...
e.g. Virgin or Virgo has 3 bright stars.. well tobi did engage the 3tails.. and in the sasori/deidara vs gaara part sasori almost did nothing
which would mean Tobi/Sasoris target is the sanbi and deidaras shukaku
but here comes the real problem.. the rings of deidara, itachi, zetsu und the bluehair.. they're called the four symbols of the chinese constellations and all of them have 7 stars

and of course: kisames ring - Sagittarius has 7 bright stars.. which doesn't really help either

i don't think kishimoto just took random symbols.. there IS probably a reason behind this and well i have also fun researching a bit

well atleast i'm pretty sure now that it's either the sixtails or the fivetails^^

btw if you try to balance out each side in the only way possible (6+3=5+4 and 1+8=2+7) you get the five-tails

[1]_[8]____[6]_[5]
_______[9]
[2]_[7]____[3]_[4]

The 8 tails is no longer free, is inside a human with makes it a Jurun..... that odd name o.o

thats what I remenber some one in akatsuki said in one volume, we can asume it was slayed and sealed inside a human and the sword was keep as a country national thresure, but no one knows

crappy english

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i don't know anything about that... so how 'bout you state which chapter that was
someone, sometime, somewhere is a bit inaccurate >.<

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All of you are wrong, i have the only right answer to this mysterium:

if you try to understand my complex thoughts, ask stephan hawkings to help you, but i guess even he will fail miserbly

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Originally Posted by Sion4ever
i don't know anything about that... so how 'bout you state which chapter that was
someone, sometime, somewhere is a bit inaccurate >.<

I dunno, some one spoiled that to me, I don't read manga, but that doesn't stop me from comming to forums like this and ruin my own fun o_o;

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i honestly think that it was some kind of prediction or theory but unfortunately there's nothing about the Eight-Tails in the manga
just as i said... only clues as the sword kusanagi

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Originally Posted by Sion4ever
unfortunately we don't have much info on the other bijū..
except maybe a clue on the eight-tails
most of you probably know already.. to sum it up:
there's a mystical beasts in the japanese mythology named Yamata-no-Orochi (en: Eight-Forked Serpent; it was said to have eight heads and eight tail) which was slayed by Susa-no-o, revealing the legendary sword Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi in the middle tail..
sasukes sword is called kusangi... well.. call me crazy but i think it might be possible (the chances are low.. of course) sasuke got that sword from orochimaru who on the other hand was a member of an organization collecting the nine bijū (world domination tour)
which is maybe a clue that the eight-tails was already sealed
Here is another thing I have found about oro, and makes more sence that what you have said "Orochimaru featured in the Japanese folktale Jiraiya Goketsu Monogatari, is the arch-enemy of the ninja Jiraiya. He was once named Yashagorō and was one of Jiraiya's followers, but he was overtaken by serpent magic. Having changed his name to "Orochimaru", he gained the ability to turn himself into a giant serpent. He attacked Jiraiya and his wife Tsunade and defeated them with his venom (only for another follower to save the couple's lives afterwards)."...another follow to save their life could be Naruto?

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somebody's been watching too many Numb3rs, and reading too much Naruto. LOL!

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