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    Attila Khan is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcane Azmadi View Post
    Sarcasm. It's rendered modern communication almost impossible.
    Ya don't say? I would have never had thunk that.

    But on point it would be interesting to see spin-off mangas from Naruto, and end up with 4 or 5 series of Naruto. The main one following Naruto, one that is only about Team InoShikaChou, one for Jiraya, and one for either the Sand Siblings or hopefully the only survivor of Akatsuki: Kisame.


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    Please don't bother. Simple rule: If it wasn't in the manga, it doesn't count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukumaru View Post
    I'm glad this thread was made since I posted some stuff earlier but no one was really interested in debating the topic.

    I just want to add to this thread what I had written on the topic:

    Obito:

    I went back and looked at the kakashi gaiden again and found that it was never shown if Obito's right eye was crushed. It was always just covered. If you look closely, you could see that the rock on Obito is shaped so that there's a curve that creates a gap right above obito's right eye on one of the pages.

    Anyways, the point is that if Obito = Tobi, a good chuck of his right side could be made of something else, which would explain how his survived Sasuke's hit.

    The body of Obito was ever collected at the time of his "death" 13 years ago.

    The only people we were told who knew about Obito's death were Kakashi, Rin, and the 4th. The one other person who could have known without being told of Obito's death is Zetsu, since he can merge with ground and forest to spy on others. Besides, Zetsu is like the hunter-nin that collects corpses and stuff, i read it on wikipedia.

    1) The 4th went back to get Obito's body or ordered Zetsu to get Obito's body, given the 4th is AL. Obito's body was reconstructed by someone.

    2) Zetsu was spyin' on the 4th and his team the whole time. Zetsu could have been working for some1 else (old akatsuki?) and was ordered to spy on Konoha's Yellow Flash. At this point, Zetsu and the 4th are not related at all. Zetsu took Obito's body and had someone fix him up. After the 4th became AL, Obito was working for Zetsu and the 4th got some face change.

    So adding Arcane Azmadi's part of the theory, Obito could have been recontructed by the 9th member. The 9th being a med-nin isn't far-fetched at all, but the idea that that person is Rin is questionable. She is neither a genius nor blessed with a powerful bloodline ability, so how could she be in Akatsuki? Her motives for joining Akatsuki is another thing that doesn't make sense.

    I starting to doubt the 4th = AL. If you recall back to the time during Orochimaru was trying to summon the past hokage, the 4th wasn't summoned. Orochimaru had planned for the invasion for a long time so theres no way he would not have made sure that the summoning of the 4th with the Impure World Resurrection was possible to begin with. Impure World Resurrection connects a human shell with the soul of the dead. At that time, we can be sure that Akatsuki existed and so did the AL. So is it still possible that 4th = AL when the 4th's soul was not even on the human world? Yes, it is since in the manga, the person within the coffin was nevered mentioned and it was only in the anime did the last coffin bear the name "The 4th".
    if his theory is right that makes sense because one persons soul wouldn't be able to inhabit 2 bodies at once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcane Azmadi View Post
    ...uh, so what are you trying to say here? You agree with me or you disagree?

    I mean, I think you're agreeing, since you seem to be sarcastically implying that the characters in question need to have some established background in the series, (while everyone else seems to be suggesting that they don't and are totally original out-of-nowheres) but no-one has ever agreed with me before, so that can't be right.

    Sarcasm. It's rendered modern communication almost impossible.
    Haha, well I'm partly agreeing with you. I was just ridiculing Kishi, because he's no good at storytelling..let's just say he hasn't convinced me yet. And as I said before 35% chance for AL=Yondaime and 35% Tobi=Obito. And zero for the AK=Rin, there's just no such motive for Rin to go through all that.

    But I still have doubt about the Yondaime and Obito-thing. Because there are still a few negatives. Like the one with the summoning technique of Orochimaru's(this is, like, the 600th time someone uses this argument:P). After he has summoned the First and the Second, he tries for a third coffin. Now I've read that the third coffin beared the name 'Yondaime', only in the anime. What does that mean, you just have to forget what happened in the anime and stick to the manga, or is there really a hint given?
    Also, you can see Sarutobi's reaction when Orochimaru tries this technique again to summon this third person. Well I'm absolutely convinced that Sarutobi was filled with fear when he saw that the third coffin was coming. With this, you can presume that this third person is an extremely powerful guy as Sarutobi said that if the third coffin would be summoned it would mean the end for the Third Hokage. I believe that it is the Yondaime who Orochimaru tried to summon. So he's dead and ehh, his soul was eaten by that whitch/ghost-thingy with that knife in her mouth. So I don't agree that he may somehow have escaped the ghost-thingy.

    And Obito. Well, everything is given, crushed by massive boulders, no eyes, personality, motive, the usual. And I agree with them, but hey this is the Naruto multiverse we're talking about! (that's sarcasm 4 you Everything is possible!

    Anyways I'm more curious about the fact that the Kyuubi is sealed inside Naruto. Why him? Why a newborn baby? Why not a wise, skilled and powerful shinobi who knows a lot about handling these Bijuu's. What's the motive ?

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    I mostly agree with Masterfilth...... and this is another theory........ I could be WAY off, I could be making a complete fool out of myself, but whatever..... i have to get this off my chest!

    Hasn't enyone thought that it's weird that they NEVER EVER say ANYTHING about naruto's parents? There's probably rumors before saying that the 4th is actually naruto's real father(or some kind of relative) since there's no one else in the entire manga with the same shade of yellow of their hair, and blue for the eyes...... so if we bring that into perspective with the whole akatsuki thing...... There are just so many possiblities that can explain the whole 4th=AL theory.....

    for example
    1) AL being naruto's father created the akatsuki to bring all the bijuu's together to kill kyuubi(since the kyuubi is the strongest)....piercings are for the purpose of looking more badass... And since he's from konoha, he can gather more people from there too....

    2) the 4th was evil from the beginning, therefore he trapped the kyuubi into his own son thinking that he will be able to control his son, therefore controlling the kyuubi.... it's just that he didn't know he'd get killed in the process(or mortally injured), since he already accomplished his task, there's no use in staying in konoha....hence faking his death.... (and this leads to a possibility of a completely different theory written WAY below)

    3) Naruto is meant to be the next leader of the akatsuki..... (seeing that the writer's twin brother wrote 666satan, and being identical twins, they would have a similar line of thought......)

    4) AL being actually a good guy wants to destroy all the bijuus by creating the akatsuki..... Only in being with the most evil/mad scientist/powerful people in the world can he accomplish this..... and only by lying to them with lines like "we'll take over the world!"..... can he gather these kinds of people under him.... and by making them famous by commmiting high profile crimes..... jsut so the world will know of them....waiting for shinobis strong enough to defeating them......


    And my second big theory...... the blue haired one....... could be naruto's mom....... a medical ninja who controls people from the background...... she didn't have to be a konoha leaf.......she could be anyone from anywhere...... being RIN, and having OBITO being TOBI..... only one can be true..... and since there's more evidence in the obito/tobi theory..... I have to say that it's can't be RIN ........
    Great series: Kurozakuro, LIVE, 666 Satan, Kanna, Nanaki, Akumetsu, Naruto, Bleach, Death Note.......

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    I am totally with anyone tryign to ridicule Kishi (MrMister). I am not sure why i keep on reading Naruto, really. Maybe I am a bit old for this kind of things. It could be because reading manga is my hoppy, and Naruto is one of the famous ones. If anything, I dont mind having the AL's idenity revealed early. But Kishi is trying to build suspense (or whatever) , I dont see how it is neccessary, just rather annoying. But i will read on to see if Kishi can justify his choices.

    To the author of this thread: I personally dont like your theory too much, but you did a nice job defending it, and presenting it. If i am your english teacher, i would give you an A. Indeed, this is a manga, where random things are possible, so the chance of your theory being right is just as random (no math involved here). REally, try not to believe so much in it. Whether predictions are good or bad, i think it does SPOIL the manga.

    To others, who tries to prove this guy wrong: not really sure why you do that. He did maintain that this is his theory; it should be granted that it is as good as any other theory about AL and Tobi, by which I mean dont treat a theory of a manga like a real theory in science. I do grant that this theory is good in the sense that he was able to fit many things together...unlike most ppl who say Tobi = Obito because they have a feeling that it's so, along with one or two things they notice. But let the truth be said, as someone pointed out that if one thing in this theory is wrong, then the whole thing wont work. Hence, this isnt a good theory, if you want to call it that, when more things are based on speculations rather than facts.

    But seriously, theories are useless, I suggest telling it to ur friends at a dinner table, have some laugh. You wont get any prize even if your are right. Likewise, you wont get any prize for proving it wrong. (correction: im talking about manga theories. i think it deserve a different name, calling it a 'theory' is like begging people to treat it as such.) I should know this because i made a theory thread myself, but it was more about trying to make sense of things that already happened, not speculation.
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    The truth is AL is Obito, not much else to say there.

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    Naruto parents were farmers!
    They were delivering milk when 4th snatched their kid and sealed the kyubi on it!
    "Chile is a thin and tall country"

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    um what if oro tryed to get the 1 sharingan from obito using the summon thingy.. well i mean that was his goal for so long and why he wanted uchiha sasuke. And im sure even tho its only 1 sharingan eye it canstill be very useful like kakashi's

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechuck View Post
    I am totally with anyone tryign to ridicule Kishi (MrMister). I am not sure why i keep on reading Naruto, really. Maybe I am a bit old for this kind of things. It could be because reading manga is my hoppy, and Naruto is one of the famous ones. If anything, I dont mind having the AL's idenity revealed early. But Kishi is trying to build suspense (or whatever) , I dont see how it is neccessary, just rather annoying. But i will read on to see if Kishi can justify his choices.

    To the author of this thread: I personally dont like your theory too much, but you did a nice job defending it, and presenting it. If i am your english teacher, i would give you an A. Indeed, this is a manga, where random things are possible, so the chance of your theory being right is just as random (no math involved here). REally, try not to believe so much in it. Whether predictions are good or bad, i think it does SPOIL the manga.

    To others, who tries to prove this guy wrong: not really sure why you do that. He did maintain that this is his theory; it should be granted that it is as good as any other theory about AL and Tobi, by which I mean dont treat a theory of a manga like a real theory in science. I do grant that this theory is good in the sense that he was able to fit many things together...unlike most ppl who say Tobi = Obito because they have a feeling that it's so, along with one or two things they notice. But let the truth be said, as someone pointed out that if one thing in this theory is wrong, then the whole thing wont work. Hence, this isnt a good theory, if you want to call it that, when more things are based on speculations rather than facts.

    But seriously, theories are useless, I suggest telling it to ur friends at a dinner table, have some laugh. You wont get any prize even if your are right. Likewise, you wont get any prize for proving it wrong. (correction: im talking about manga theories. i think it deserve a different name, calling it a 'theory' is like begging people to treat it as such.) I should know this because i made a theory thread myself, but it was more about trying to make sense of things that already happened, not speculation.
    You're a nice person. I like you.

    I also don't hold Kishimoto's writing ability in high regard. He has some great ideas and can draw a decent action scene, but has shown a tendancy to get lost in his own plot twists, retcon things for plot convenience and draw things out WAY too long (and then there's what the bloody animators are doing to it...) Worse is how plainly structured his work is; I was working on a conspiracy theory that he was trying to write Hinata out of the plot, until the latest plot arc started and I realized he'd been almost completely ignoring her and her 2 teammates for the last 100 chapters or so simply because it wasn't "their turn" yet. I don't see the need to mock him as such, since I've enjoyed Naruto greatly in the past, but at the moment he's definitely flailing around in a manner most distressing. And frankly, anything could happen now (except Sasuke not being perpetually badass- has that guy shown a single emotion in the past 20 chapters? Bastard.)

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    ^ He smiled a bit a the Great Naruto Bridge, I think that used up his "human emotion quota" for the next 50 chapters.

 

 
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