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    Koree is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    Well, all I can say is: Be greatfull if you never ever see the german - dubbed version...

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    ....headache

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    I can't talk about the english version, but the german version is unbelievable.
    I've never seen anything that bad.

    The pronunciation of most of the words is bad enough.
    But on top of that they use the translation for most of the jutsu instead of the jap name (jutsu of the shadowclone instead of Kagebunshin no jutsu).
    That's already really awful, but it doesn't stop there.

    I've never seen an anime that was cut like Naruto in germany. They cut out everything.
    Even the blood in the scene where Naruto does the blood oath to defeat Neji, the blood is cut out. His fingers reach the ground and he makes the fist but the blood is edited out.

    It's similar to One Piece after it got raped by 4kids.
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    I pity you, guys...

    Of course some obscene words are intentionally replaced here in our dubs...
    ...replaced into OUR OWN obscene words, that is.

    But still, I think the kids in your countries have been left out of what badass lines are in the original...

    I pity you, guys...

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    I'm going to make a very short thing here for the lazy people,
    In short, its all because our damn religion and society, animes/cartoons = kids, kids can't see blood, violence sex, rock and roll....

    Now if you wandering why I said that first I have to talk about the differences from American/etc to Japanese animation, The root of the problem.

    Not only in USA, but most of the other countries Animation have evolved diferently from Japan.
    In America, where animation has evolved into an industry aimed, more or less, at children. In Japan, an entirely different result has occurred in the evolution of the Japanese animation industry, where the main audience consists of anyone aged from one to one hundred.

    Long time ago.. (WWII ago!) we had this 6-8minutes clips, that brought up characters like Mickey Mouse, thoses clips were designed to be comic, to entertain the audience through comedy and slapstick antics. However, censorship was strong in these periods, and many films had scenes cut, even going so far as to cut a kiss between Porky and Petunia Pig in a 1939 short.
    Reviewers of the time went as far to say that they were disapointed with the 1950 Cinderella movie, because "represented an unusually large number of human characters", feeling that "it provided a kind of realism that should be foreign to animation".

    From now on what we call today "Cartoons" were born. Being conservative and "civilized" to American society, the cartoons main audience became children, and it would be considered "childish" for an adult to watch suchs animated features & shorts. Also prevalent in animation is the influence of religion, as Western civilization is primarily a Judeo-Christian culture, where we are mostly monotheistic, and find comfort in establishing a "good" and a "bad". This theme is present in almost all American animation series, where there is a "good" hero/team, and there is an "evil" villain/criminal. The line dividing the two is strong and never fades. The monotheistic theme is present in that there is one "right" answer to a problem, one Truth.

    Lately, however, some American studios started producing adult-themed cartoons, with the best example of these being The Simpsons.

    But there is one thing prevalent in almost all American animation:
    It is episodic. Episode after episode, the main characters return unchanged and unaffected by the previous episode's events. It is always possible to miss an episode here and there, or watch the episodes out of order, and never be lost.


    In short, American animation is mainly aimed at children, promoting Judeo-Christian views that there is a "good" side and a "bad" side, with one "right" answer in the end. It is episodic so that children will never have to worry about missing the odd episode, and won't have to follow a complex storyline or character development usually present in series'. It is designed to be an escape from the harsh world of reality, from which we all want to protect our children.


    On the other hand, Japanese animation is somewhat different. Thats what we refer as anime, it's a form of mass media that has an audience of all ages. Simply put is abother vehicle to send the same messages and provide the same entertainment that live-actions movies do.

    Most anime is based on manga. Mangas in Japan, however, originate from the post-WWII era when American strips were imported to Japan. The format was widely popular, and soon Japanese authors began to create their own strips. While there were the weekly strips poking fun at typical family life, other strips also became popular that followed people on journeys. Such stories, however, were mostly serial, where the reader had to read every strip in order to keep track of the goings-on in the story. This format became successful in a commercial sense, as people had to keep buying the next newspaper or magazine to keep up with the stories. Thats our today's manga.

    While there is always much imagination involved in creating such stories, many anime storylines find their roots in the common Japanese religion of Shinto. Shinto can best be described as a disorganized religion, where there is no single God, but many stories of extraordinary people and things that are worshipped as deities. Where Judeo-Christian values strongly discourage (putting it lightly) homosexual relations and out-of-wedlock pregnancies, the only common moral code in Shinto is cleanliness. Japanese society is far more liberal in terms of censorship and social attitudes than American society. From this, not only are there many stories animated that have to do with Shinto legends, but many stories that explore "taboo" (well, they would be taboo in American terms, inbreeding for one)

    Another theme coming from this religious difference is that death itself is often shown in anime. Not just in odd characters added for the effect, because death is honorable in Shinto, especially if there is a noble cause in one's death.
    Also rooted in Shinto, many series never clearly draw the line between "good" and "evil". Characters often switch from one side to the other, some characters can be both, and some characters can be neither. A character's motives may be "good", but their methods are "evil", and vice versa.

    PS. On this reading quest I noticed that Japanese's very often portraits characters with blonde hair to be more "evil" in motives than the rest of the characters. (oo Naruto the evil ^^ maybe AL is blond too...)

    Most Americans have a shared opinion on the subject of Animes: "But I thought it was all sex and violence?"
    But one can say that American television consists only of soap operas and trashy talk shows if you limit your viewing to daytime television. This opnion becan when Americans companies imported animes that were focused to the adult-crowd, that involved sex and violence.

    Bibliography
    Lorimer, Rowland and McNulty, Jean. Mass Communication In Canada. Oxford University Press, 1996.
    Smoodin, Eric. Animating Culture: Hollywood Cartoons from the Sound Era. Rutgers University Press,1993.
    Levi, Antonia. Samurai from Outer Space: Understanding Japanese Animation. Open Court Publishing, 1996.
    Gillespie, Jeff. Japanese vs. American Animation, AnimenewsNetwork, 1998
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    And that was so perfect I have nothing else to say.


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    Please don't bother. Simple rule: If it wasn't in the manga, it doesn't count.

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    Read every word. Wow.

    *applause*

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    nicely said man

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    Well said.

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    I agree with every single word you said, but you could have added that amrican dubbing companies often change dialogue/delete scenes to tone down the level of "violence and/or sexuality" in Anime so that it would be more like a contemporary cartoon, but that was superbly well said.

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