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    _zet_ is offline Senior Member Well Known
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    why does no one think naruto and the fourth can't be brothers or sumthing =/ to me that would make a heck of a lot more sense. The fourth wasn't very old, wants his little brother that was just born to become a hero in the eyes of the village by containing the monster that wants to eat everyone. etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _zet_ View Post
    why does no one think naruto and the fourth can't be brothers or sumthing =/ to me that would make a heck of a lot more sense. The fourth wasn't very old, wants his little brother that was just born to become a hero in the eyes of the village by containing the monster that wants to eat everyone. etc etc.
    Then where are both their parents? Since Naruto was just born where's his mama?


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    From the evidence in the OP, it seems to point in another direction...

    Rather than the 4th=Naruto, what if the 4th, like Kyuubi, is somehow trapped within Naruto? Thus both their characteristics are expressed though the 4th less so as he is perhaps...less dominant than Kyuubi in terms of Chakra? Plot point yet to come? I know, there are a lot of holes in the theory, but I've never seen this pointed out before and am waiting to see how it can be totally debunked.

    Oh and I posted this evidence against Naruto=4th in another forum under another name...when Naruto signed the contract with his blood with the froggies...the 4th also had a contract with the ole Gamabunta...why the heck would he have to sign it again with his own blood? So that kind of throws a wrench in the 4th=Naruto unless someone can explain it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 999Ghosts View Post
    From what I understand, when you summon the Death God, and it eats your soul, your soul cant be summoned anymore. Thats why I thought the 3rd sealed the 1st's and the 2nd's souls together with his (so it cant be summoned anymore). Now, if the 4th's soul is really in the stomach of the Death God, then why the hell would Orochimaru try and summon the 4th's soul in his battle against the 3rd? Also, if the 4th tried to seal the kyuubi by summoning the Death God, then shouldn't the kyuubi also be in the Death God's stomach (where they are supposed to battle for all eternity)?

    Well we don't really know if Oro even tried to summon Yondaime.
    In the manga a third coffin appeared but was stopped by Sandaime.

    But as far as I can remember that didn't happen in the manga.
    Sandaime thought that another coffin with Yondaime would appear and did some handseals.
    But no coffin appeared so it's possible that Oro didn't even try to summon him and Sarutobi just thought he would.



    The thing is that we know too little about the whole sealing deal you are talking about. So it's hard to speculate about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 999Ghosts View Post
    From what I understand, when you summon the Death God, and it eats your soul, your soul cant be summoned anymore. Thats why I thought the 3rd sealed the 1st's and the 2nd's souls together with his (so it cant be summoned anymore). Now, if the 4th's soul is really in the stomach of the Death God, then why the hell would Orochimaru try and summon the 4th's soul in his battle against the 3rd?

    Uhm, Orochimaru just tried to summon the dead bodies of the Hokages and not the soul, souls cannot talk and fight and create villages...

    But on the other side, the first and the second were seen with emotions so... I think another plot hole ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor View Post
    Well we don't really know if Oro even tried to summon Yondaime.
    In the manga a third coffin appeared but was stopped by Sandaime.

    But as far as I can remember that didn't happen in the manga.
    Sandaime thought that another coffin with Yondaime would appear and did some handseals.
    But no coffin appeared so it's possible that Oro didn't even try to summon him and Sarutobi just thought he would.



    The thing is that we know too little about the whole sealing deal you are talking about. So it's hard to speculate about it.


    No, there was another coffin, it just didn't fully appear so there wasn't a visible number on it (the anime added the "four" character, but the anime adds lots of crap...like the sharingan detecting kage bunshin).

    Summoning the 4th wouldn't fit with the line about giving him the opportunity to fight his teachers, and even disregarding that, There was another kage that would have fit the "four" criteria, the newly deceased kazekage.

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    Actually the Yondiame Kazekage was much younger than Sarutobi. Now if he had tried to raise Sandiame Kazekage there would have been plot problems later given that Sasori has him as a puppet and he was(supposedly) Orochimaru's Akatsuki partner and he would have known that Sasori had him in his possession. Now he could have gone for Shodai or Nidiame Kazekage but one can assume that Sarutobi may have only met them in passing on the battlefield if at all given Konoha's age. So the only logical summons for Orochimaru would have been the 3 dead Hokages or I guess you could grab someone like Sakumo but that would be pushing it.


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    sasori killed the 3rd and used him as a puppet. the 4th kazekage was killed by oro.

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    I assume that was directed toward adonai, as that's exactly what I was saying.


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    yes. and of cos, he killed and took over the 4th kazekage's identity to get into the leaf village. so its logical to say that inside the coffin is the 4th kazekage.

 

 
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