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    kaom is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    I find some parts of yasha's theory more far-fetched than others. I like it, though. I think having some of it be true would be good, but mostly what I object to is how extensive and detailed the backstory is. A tengu connection? Could definitely happen. The exact one yasha describes? I'm not so sure.

    As for secrets in Konoha, in my opinion they're like a treasure trove of them. (As they should be, they are a ninja village.) Just for a start, think about how no one was going to tell Naruto or any other children his age about the fox demon sealed inside of him. You can't tell me that isn't something huge and important and expect me to believe it. His lineage has also been kept a secret (from him and us, the readers). If it were unimportant, I would have expected a casual mention at some point (Kakashi mentioning that his parents' names are on the stone with Obito's, Iruka mentioning they also fought against the kyuubi, the ramen shop owner saying they used to own the shop, something like that). Or how about Roots and ANBU? That's pretty significant, too.

    Actually, come to think of it, it seems like they don't cover the history of their village very well in school at all. At the beginning of the story, Sakura and Naruto don't know about the Uchiha clan's demise, do they? Nor anything about the Hyuuga clan (or any clan, really). Nor did they know about Orochimaru. And Naruto, at least, didn't know about any of the sannin. And they didn't know about missing-nin or hunter-nin, either...or the gates...or a lot of things, actually.

    Hmm, this could all be a product of the main characters being clueless kids, though. The adults seem to tell them things pretty selectively... (For one thing, why doesn't each and every ninja have a bingo book, just in case? Why hadn't our protagonists heard anything at all about the chuunin exams before, even rumours? The story-telling benefits are obvious, but in retrospect, it's kind of weird.)

    Anyway, I derailed myself. I think yasha's theory is good, but I can't see it happening in as much detail as he describes it in. But I'm more inclined to attribute that to what Dante said, about Naruto being the focus and not Sasuke, than secret-keeping.

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    well even though i like the theory i in no way think its 100% accurate, like the 3 ms user part, but i hope that at least some/most of it is true just because i think the tengu would be a awsome antagonist

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    @Kaom and Dante
    Ok Ok I get your point, and you've convinced me. I felt that secret-keeping was more accurate before because Yasha's theory requires so many little details to be right and just expecting it all to be right would be ridiculous. (ex: Yasha said Sasuke's wing transformation reflects his tengu connection, but all of the prisoners at the north lab had the same wings in their 2nd transformations.) While I too think that there is a high chance of a tengu connection with the Uchiha, I find the detailed history provided with the theory a little iffy.
    But, you're right. Konoha does have a ton of secrets that it intentionally hid from its younger generation, and I also just remembered that these secrets can even compromise the village (hunter-nin).

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    ok just going to answer onequestion since its late about the 3 MS users and people asking where it came from. From the flash back when itachi killed his clan he spoke of another user that had the MS at the time itachi had his and said sasuke could be come the third. And Not kakashi stating that he had it at the time and itachi being shocked when he found out he had it blah blah blah. Oh and the valley of the end Look at the two statues that fought there... its madara and 1st hokage, and if you say its just some random guy that faught 1st hokage two words **** you. And to say Kan didnt base Uchiha around the Tengu no offense but ur stupid haha the uchiha clan was based around the tengu just like all the other characters of naruto where based around something be it legends weapons time archs or characters in japans mythical and fact history

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    let's summarize the facts
    1)kakashi said sharingan arise from byakugan
    2)why there is secrete tengou temple for the uchiha
    3)that was the first hokage statue at the valley of the end
    4)kakashi said in the anime (at that point i,didn,t read the manga)after sasuke defeated naruto that their fate is like thase two who build konoha
    (he was meaning the two statues)
    5)itachi said there is other MS user
    6)itachi want sasuke to have a third MS (don't tell me that itachi really wants sasuke to kill him)
    7)kyubii and sasuke knows who is madara
    kyubii said that the origin of the sharingan is more cursed than his own

    naruto is based on the japenese mythology egro-jiraya-tsunade

    so i think about 80%percent of the theory is somehow true

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avillenoah09 View Post
    ok just going to answer onequestion since its late about the 3 MS users and people asking where it came from. From the flash back when itachi killed his clan he spoke of another user that had the MS at the time itachi had his and said sasuke could be come the third. And Not kakashi stating that he had it at the time and itachi being shocked when he found out he had it blah blah blah. Oh and the valley of the end Look at the two statues that fought there... its madara and 1st hokage, and if you say its just some random guy that faught 1st hokage two words **** you. And to say Kan didnt base Uchiha around the Tengu no offense but ur stupid haha the uchiha clan was based around the tengu just like all the other characters of naruto where based around something be it legends weapons time archs or characters in japans mythical and fact history
    Are you actually trying to say something in here, or is it all mindless blabbering like I see it? There are no sentences here, much less a statement or argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama View Post
    I felt that secret-keeping was more accurate before because Yasha's theory requires so many little details to be right and just expecting it all to be right would be ridiculous. (ex: Yasha said Sasuke's wing transformation reflects his tengu connection, but all of the prisoners at the north lab had the same wings in their 2nd transformations.) While I too think that there is a high chance of a tengu connection with the Uchiha, I find the detailed history provided with the theory a little iffy.
    I think both of us said we found it to be a bit iffy, too. Really, I agree with you - there are too many small details that come into play to make it likely to be exactly correct. But I think it's the detail and amount of the conditions and assumptions that causes that, and not Konoha's secret-keeping. ^^

    Quote Originally Posted by Avillenoah09 View Post
    And to say Kan didnt base Uchiha around the Tengu no offense but ur stupid haha the uchiha clan was based around the tengu just like all the other characters of naruto where based around something be it legends weapons time archs or characters in japans mythical and fact history
    I don't recall Kishimoto ever saying he based the Uchiha on tengu. I know Sasuke's hair is supposed to resemble a wing, and I've seen the evidence yasha points out, but that's not enough to call people idiots for not blindly accepting a fan theory. :/

    Quote Originally Posted by heshamaru View Post
    7)kyubii and sasuke knows who is madara
    When does Sasuke talk about him? I'm not arguing, I just don't remember this.

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    ^Sasuke identifies the Kyuubi after seeing it in Naruto after the Kyuubi says that he's seen those sharingans before (indirectly of course). So Sasuke knows of Madara, even if he never knew his name. Obviously Madara did something important to be known in the clan this far down.

 

 
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