Thread: The scroll naruto steal at the beginning..why is it a Secret Scroll?

i wonder why bother to classify kage bushin scroll as a secret scroll. why would mizuki want it..it seem most of jounin can use kage bushin anyway. it not really a secret jutsu that should be kept that secure.

so this is what i think..first there are bushin - an illusionary copy learn at the ninja academy. the next level is kage bushin - copy with physical body.i believe there are the next level of bushin jutsu in the scroll...

a forbidden technique - making a permanent copy of yourself.

and if the rumored akatsuki leader is really the 4th, i believe he survive using the technique. so there one dead body which used for sealing kyuubi, and another body still alive. as to why he is the leader is another matter for another thread though.

what do you think about this?

The idea of "next level of bunshin" could be.

But just stfu with 4th=AL, everyones been tired on this topic.

another AL=4th theory?
you've gotta be kidding me.
the scroll had certain techniques that could be dangerous(even to the user if he learnt them before jounin level.kage bunshin was apparently the first technique there.

its not the kage bushin scroll, its a forbidden scroll. the idea of a forbidden jutsu is one that the hokage rules too dangerous for any ninja to be using, and so bans the use of it. however, its not up to the hokage to stop ninjas from using it. dangerous in that it does bodily harm or other things to the user.

for instance, kage bunshin isnt forbidden but taiju kage bunshin is, becuse it makes like hundreds of clones and each clone would have 1/100th of the users chakra. so if all are hit the user would have 1/100th of chakra left, a sucidal move for people who dont have a high chakra tolarance. but perfect for naruto since his abnormal chakra capacity and kyuubi chakra.

its just that the first forbidden technique was the kage bunshin, naruto had no idea what the scroll was at the start he just stole the scroll as mizuki instructed so he could get some respect. for all we know some other jutsu not kage bunshin could of been first and he would of learnt that and the whole series of naruto would thus be totally different

its no way that yondi could of survived his jutsu to seal away the kyuubi in naruto
1. he wouldn't get the respect that the 3rd gave him and people would of figured out that the 4th didnt die.
2. y turn evil and capture naruto when hes older when you just saved the villages and his life? if he was evil he could just steal naruto away after he completed the sealing jutsu.
3. itachi also gives the impression that naruto is somehow related to the 4th, and if he was atasuki, he would of said al or boss or something

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i see. i shouldnt have mention about the 4th even by implication. well my main point in the post is the importance of the secret scroll. why mizuki want it. he even went as far to prepare leaving konoha. i figure he must have known about the scroll and what it contain.

ignore about the 4th, its just an example anyway and only IF...

The scroll naruto steal at the beginning..why is it a Secret Scroll?

Whatever, thought I just might as well answer this, though it's very obvious if you've read the manga.


The scroll was forbidden because it contained Shiki Fūjin and possibly Hakke no Fūin Shiki and/or Shishō Fūin, all used by the Yondaime to seal the Kyubi.

The math would be as follows:

Naruto-seals=Kyubi

Which they didn't want to happen.

Originally Posted by adonai

Whatever, thought I just might as well answer this, though it's very obvious if you've read the manga.


The scroll was forbidden because it contained Shiki Fūjin and possibly Hakke no Fūin Shiki and/or Shishō Fūin, all used by the Yondaime to seal the Kyubi.

The math would be as follows:

Naruto-seals=Kyubi

Which they didn't want to happen.

i see. that jutsu definitely should be kept a secret.

Originally Posted by ampinere

i wonder why bother to classify kage bushin scroll as a secret scroll. why would mizuki want it..it seem most of jounin can use kage bushin anyway. it not really a secret jutsu that should be kept that secure.

so this is what i think..first there are bushin - an illusionary copy learn at the ninja academy. the next level is kage bushin - copy with physical body.i believe there are the next level of bushin jutsu in the scroll...

a forbidden technique - making a permanent copy of yourself.

and if the rumored akatsuki leader is really the 4th, i believe he survive using the technique. so there one dead body which used for sealing kyuubi, and another body still alive. as to why he is the leader is another matter for another thread though.

what do you think about this?

Oh Gawd...another AL=Yondaime bullshit theory.We've seen half of his head,his hair is orange,and I don't think Yondaime would pierce/tattoo his nose.Case closed.And don't believe every Photoshop'ed picture of Yondaimes head on Deidara's body.

@ampinere: the jutsu the 4th used to seal the kyubi required the sacrifice his soul.....a mere bunshin of any form wouldnt be able to do this.(bunshins dont have souls)