Thread: could this happen

well i was thinking that maybe jyria but a chakra control limiter on naruto when they were training for thoes 3 1/2 years or soo. u no like the time oro put one on him during the chunin exam, and jyria will tell naruto not to take it off for sum reason. and one time naruto is going to be in trouble and will take it of and he willl be able to control more of the kyubbi.

but i don't have any proof of this happening or even going to happen but its a nice thought right

well if any one doesn't think soo then tell me how u think naruto will gain more control over the nine tails!?

^ It's basically been accepted that he'll always try to suppress the Kyubi from now on, and Jiraiya never encouraged him to use the Kyubi chakra after seeing his 4-tailed form. He specifically discourages Naruto from doing that.

@lovehina:i personally hope that naruto doesnt use the kyubi chakra at all. he realy doesnt need it,his own chakra alone is enough.i think that at this point the kyubi is more of a hindrence then anything...it hurts naruto,can hurt or kill his friends,and he cant train properly without yamato to keep the kyubi chakra in check.

Originally Posted by asianmaster

@lovehina:i personally hope that naruto doesnt use the kyubi chakra at all. he realy doesnt need it,his own chakra alone is enough.i think that at this point the kyubi is more of a hindrence then anything...it hurts naruto,can hurt or kill his friends,and he cant train properly without yamato to keep the kyubi chakra in check.

No offense intended towards your post asianmaster, but this has always bugged me. I mean, i understand the repercussions of using such demon chakra and all, but i hate to think that Naruto should just "forget all about Kyuubi and its potential".

The reason i say this is its going to be very difficult for Naruto in the long run. I mean, its possible that a significant percentage of his chakra is devoted to keeping the Kyuubi from overtaking him (i.e. maintenance of the seal), so using what little is left of his own chakra is gonna be hard as hell. For instance: -

Naruto uses (THEORETICALLY) 70% of his own chakra to keep the damn thing from taking his mind over and 30% left over as his *own* chakra. I would think that chakra would suffice to get him to a chuunin level degree of strength, i doubt any further despite what kakashi keeps saying.

IMHO, the only instance the village has to worry is if Naruto begins to suppress his own chakra and completely rely on that of the kyuubi. Then, the obviously dominate life force would win and you have the four tails incident again.

I think if Naruto is as capable as we would like to believe he is, then he should focus on finding a means to pump chakra from that vast reserve whenever the need should arise. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but thus far, every incident portraying the Kyuubi as being problematic or a major hindrance to Naruto's shinobi ways always involved him draining himself of his own chakra and falling back to the Kyuubi's or just going foxy after being pissed off; entailing handing himself to the demon.

1) vs. Kimimaru - WTF was Naruto doing? The 1000+ clones were amazing and all, but it was like throwing a bunch of rubber balls at a kicking foot with no strategy. Just a berserker.
2) vs Sasuke - Naruto seemed to be in control, but that mode is none the less dangerous. It damaged Naruto as well. *bubbling hot chakra can't be gd for ya*
3) vs Deidara - same as Kimi in a sense
4) vs Oro - the epitome of it all

Therefore, i think that Naruto should use that awesome will of his and strength to overpower Kyuubi (The thing is in a friggin cage...if it dusn't wanna die with u, it had better comply) and CONTROL its chakra. Pump some in when you need it and manage it appropriately. A shinobi with nearly limitless chakra reserves is definitely a force to be reckoned with. Not only that, Naruto would have created something ON HIS OWN for once. Think about it, a seal of his own creation that allows him to siphon the Kyuubi's essence into a controlled state. He would truly be worthy of the title of Hokage.

Off course, there are various limitations to my theory such as the improbability of it ever being alluded it. I doubt a genius Naruto is a possibility for this story arc, but meh. Also, The part about his chakra being used to suppress Kyuubi is pure speculation (I think). There are a variety of other factors as well, but i wanted to "what if". I'm not complaining or anything, I'm just offering a vista. I hope to GOD that this perspective wasn't already discussed (ominous BAN). Anyways, I'd like to hear what you guys think.

^ I'm pretty sure that it has been mentioned that his own chakra level would be increased if the Kyubi was suppressed.

His own chakra level was already enormous even before suppression and Kakashi specifically mentioned the "100x current level" thing.

@sam:the problem with naruto is that the current seal he has is leaking more and more which is causing the kyubi chakra to surface more often.i know what you mean,it would be great is naruto learned how to control the kyubi chakra...but i dont know how he could do it. i cant remember what yamato said exactly, but he told naruto that his chakra was surpresing the kyubi...ill look it up later.

Originally Posted by adonai

^ I'm pretty sure that it has been mentioned that his own chakra level would be increased if the Kyubi was suppressed.

His own chakra level was already enormous even before suppression and Kakashi specifically mentioned the "100x current level" thing.

ok, i looked it up and found this: -

http://mangarun.com/naruto/naruto_31...7;20315_11.jpg

It seems that Naruto has 2x the chakra of Kakashi. Kakashi is a strong ninja, but he already mentioned that his chakra is mediocre for his class, so, Naruto having twice as much IS impressive, but still, not potent enough. With Kyuubi, he can have 100x more chakra than Kakashi, so he does indeed need kyuubi. This was the reason he was the only one who could do the training; as long as the kyuubi was in check. What I'm suggesting is that he finds a way to do that himself, that would be deadly. I hope I understood u correctly.

Originally Posted by asianmaster

@sam:the problem with naruto is that the current seal he has is leaking more and more which is causing the kyubi chakra to surface more often.i know what you mean,it would be great is naruto learned how to control the kyubi chakra...but i dont know how he could do it. i cant remember what yamato said exactly, but he told naruto that his chakra was surpresing the kyubi...ill look it up later.

I was gonna say that the leakage of the seal is all the more reason for Naruto to find a way to control Kyuubi, but that might worsen things. Then again, if he can manage to do that now, when I assume his chakra potential is at its highest *youth and all*, it may be advantageous. However, his experience is a severe hinderance.

No...

Read that again, he said, if the Kyuni is suppressed he would have 100x. And Kakashi said more than 2 times more. Makes sense if you consider the fact that Naruto defeated Gaara with his own chakra before Gaara used the Ichibi. It's unclear whether his own large capacity is natural or if it's from suppressing the Kyuni for all those years, but it is his own.

Suppression is not the same as control, if he controlled it, he can actually use the chakra without any problems, as it is he uses his own, with which he can create thousands of clones for extended periods of time.

And having someone else help him with this problem would be more in line with the theme of this series. Especially since Sasuke can suppress the Kyubi easily.

Originally Posted by adonai

No...

Read that again, he said, if the Kyuni is suppressed he would have 100x. And Kakashi said more than 2 times more. Makes sense if you consider the fact that Naruto defeated Gaara with his own chakra before Gaara used the Ichibi. It's unclear whether his own large capacity is natural or if it's from suppressing the Kyuni for all those years, but it is his own.

Suppression is not the same as control, if he controlled it, he can actually use the chakra without any problems, as it is he uses his own, with which he can create thousands of clones for extended periods of time.

And having someone else help him with this problem would be more in line with the theme of this series. Especially since Sasuke can suppress the Kyubi easily.

I see your perspective, but I'm very sure kakashi means that if the kyuubi can STAY suppressed, they can squeeze out 100x more chakra. It would also make sense because if they tried to access any of kyuubi's abilities, he would control Naruto. By control Naruto, I mean Naruto would go into that berseker fit once more. So, with it suppressed, they can access that power freely. I'll make reference to when, during this training, one of Naruto's bunshins blew out into Kyuubi. Yamato had to suppress it before anything happened; they were drawing on kyuubi without its "consent" so to speak.

Also, Naruto's "ninja-chronicles" attack on Gaara was indeed his own chakra, but did you see what happened afterwards? He was worn out and such. Off course, summoning that many clones of a jounin class technique is difficult, but its not really comparable to this style. Naruto created those clones for a quick beating while he's creating them AND maintaining them for this exercise; not to mention each one is pumping in its own chakra to manipulate nature. That's why the kyuubi bunshin broke loose; it was drawing too much from Kyuubi's chakra, much more than Yamato was countering with his suppression technique.

^ He isn't using the Kyubi's chakra...it's his own:


http://mangarun.com/naruto/naruto_299/10.JPG
http://mangarun.com/naruto/naruto_299/11.JPG


Why do you think the translation have all used the term "suppress"?
It's a very specific definition you know.