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    Wait so you're saying this guys thing is fake because theres no eight tail or seven tailed fox??? so what - Suppose the only fox demon out there has 9 tails... that blows your whole reasoning out of the water. Note im not saying the theory is right, im just saying your reasoning is wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioBoy View Post
    I'm not talking about Kitsune or Kyuubi; I'm talking about the names of the tailed beasts and the mythology surrounding them. That is made up.

    The whole thing is based on the idea that Kyuubi is derived from the word "nine" and "tail". This is true, but there's no reference in any Japanese mythology regarding Ichibi, Ni(i)bi, Sonbi, Shi/Yonbi, Go(u)bi, etc.

    It's pure fakelore. The only place I've ever seen this Legend is among the Naruto community. Look anywhere else for it; you won't find it. In fact, you're likely to find things that disprove it.
    you know,, you r right!
    i don't know about the myth being treu but i have searched alot for it and only found info regarding naruto. if the myth exists im not sure off,,,
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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioBoy View Post
    I'm not talking about Kitsune or Kyuubi; I'm talking about the names of the tailed beasts and the mythology surrounding them. That is made up.

    The whole thing is based on the idea that Kyuubi is derived from the word "nine" and "tail". This is true, but there's no reference in any Japanese mythology regarding Ichibi, Ni(i)bi, Sonbi, Shi/Yonbi, Go(u)bi, etc.

    It's pure fakelore. The only place I've ever seen this Legend is among the Naruto community. Look anywhere else for it; you won't find it. In fact, you're likely to find things that disprove it.


    Those are just tags, it's a more convenient way of naming them, especially since Kishimoto doesn't base everything of off Japanese mythology. For example, the sanbi is some turtle like thing, not an Isonade. Enough of it is right for it though, like the nekomata being the nibi. If you're talking about the "war" then yes, I haven't found anything about that.

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    Would be nice if he had properly explained what he was disputing though >_>

    w/e so the story is not true, tough nuts...is he petitioning for it to be removed as a sticky?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jjhjjh View Post
    those foxes are called kitsune if i remember
    you fail. kitsune refers to all foxes in general. Not any kind of special foxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by RadioBoy View Post
    I'm not talking about Kitsune or Kyuubi; I'm talking about the names of the tailed beasts and the mythology surrounding them. That is made up.
    The terms "ichibi", "nibi", "sanbi", "yonbi"... "kyuubi" are made up. The terms "Shukaku", "Nekomata"..., basically the names given for the beasts are not made up.

    Quote Originally Posted by RadioBoy View Post
    The whole thing is based on the idea that Kyuubi is derived from the word "nine" and "tail". This is true, but there's no reference in any Japanese mythology regarding Ichibi, Ni(i)bi, Sonbi, Shi/Yonbi, Go(u)bi, etc.
    As I said, those terms were made up. By the way, what is with those (i) and (u)?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadioBoy View Post
    It's pure fakelore. The only place I've ever seen this Legend is among the Naruto community. Look anywhere else for it; you won't find it. In fact, you're likely to find things that disprove it.
    I checked a while back, wiki has info on "Nekomat". Hell, type that into google, you will get a bunch of pages that have nothing to do with naruto... The fact that you only saw it amongst the naruto community means you need to look at non-manga based net sites...

    Let me simplify this for you. The folklores mentioned here are accurate. What is not-in folklore/japanese myth, but made up by Kishi, are the "ichibi, nibi, sanbi, ..." naming for the beasts.

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    I'll try and better explain what I'm trying to say here.

    First of all, there's really no evidence that the list has anything to do with Kishimoto. We have no idea whether he made it or not; it just popped up one day. Someof the beasts in Naruto (Such as the Kyuubi and Shukaku) are on the list, but it does not make it a legit piece of lore. Most of those tailed beasts do exist in mythology, in one way or another; however, a lot of the factoids were made up. Moreover, the numbering and names associated with them (Ichibi, Nibi, Sanbi, Yon/Shibi, Gobi, etc.) are never mentioned, either by Kishimoto or any mythology.

    I'm not trying to disprove that there are, in fact, nine tailed beasts (though there may be more). What I am trying to say is this; that list was made by a fan, and it has no link to mythology or Kishimoto.

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    We know that there are 9 biju.
    They each have a different number of tails, from 1 to nine, Chiyo mentioned this. So it would only be natural to tag them according to the number of tails they have. In the transltations themselves, the nibi and sanbi are referred to specifically in that manner (the ichibi may also have been referred to in that manner but I can't remember that far back). So you would be wrong about Kishimoto not referring to them in that manner (unless multiple translators all made errors in translation).
    We also know that there are certain creatures in Japanese mythology associated with certain number of tails.
    And that Kishimoto does not base everything off of Japanese myth, it may be modified or completely different, but there are elements that he does use, such as the Kyubi, the shukaku, and the nekomata.
    That would make it only logical to refer to the unknown biju by their number, while treating the list as a tentative reference.
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    as far as i know,each of the beasts as well as most of their history were indeed folklores that existed. the war that happened between them on the other hand does not.
    Do I have to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by diokhan View Post
    as far as i know,each of the beasts as well as most of their history were indeed folklores that existed. the war that happened between them on the other hand does not.
    I concur. I am too lazy going into folklore and all even though I study folklores of different cultures at the university. Let's just say folklore that is in Naruto is exaggerated and some made up but based on actual stories or myths. . .lets say the folklore is a draft for further imagination.

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    what i want to know, is whether or not i can believe this whole legend of the bijus thingy. it seems to make a lot of sense.......but there is no fact to realy prove it.......and some people believe it is true.....other believe its made up.......eighther way, there have been many arguments made using the info from the biju legend to back it up. can we trust the info?
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