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    adonai is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    obviously he can, once a jutsu is copied it can be used whenever. We are assuming that he has Earth/water/lightening because those are the only elements we saw him use.

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    People! This isn't Pokemon! You don't have two elements and thats it! You're born with an affimity toward one or more elements and most people stick with it. You can train to learn any other element. Zabuza can use the Fire element, but he doesn't. His affimity is toward water, so instead of taking the time to learn fire jutsus, he just sticks with his specialty. Kakashi probably knows how to use every element. But he is just better with some than others.

    Take this for example. The late Asuma taught Naruto how to convert his chakra into wind chakra. By imagining his chakra being sliced into very thin slices. So that's how to convert chakra into wind. Sasuke could imagine his chakra being sliced into very thin slices. But Naruto can do it easier because he has an affimity toward it. Likewise Naruto could learn to use every element. But he would have to learn how.

    Do you think that Orochimaru has just two elements? No, he is training for them all! But that would take a lifetime. So he just takes other people's lifetimes. You can learn every jutsu without training. But they won't work unless you know how to use every element. There is no restrictions like Pokemon!
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    I have one question concerning this topic:
    Isn't it that one can use jutsu from any nature but those 2 types that his chakra has affinity to he uses moes eficently? Well, that's at least how I understand that, but if someone can prove me wrong it's ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Numbnut10 View Post
    People! This isn't Pokemon! You don't have two elements and thats it! You're born with an affimity toward one or more elements and most people stick with it. You can train to learn any other element. Zabuza can use the Fire element, but he doesn't. His affimity is toward water, so instead of taking the time to learn fire jutsus, he just sticks with his specialty. Kakashi probably knows how to use every element. But he is just better with some than others.
    And where did you read that?

    There's no evidence at all for what you claim. Just look at Lee, he can't use any elements. And he isn't the only one who fights with specialized non-elemental jutsu. We have no idea how difficult or easy it is to learn an elemental manipulation, or whether certain people can do it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liarfather View Post
    I have one question concerning this topic:
    Isn't it that one can use jutsu from any nature but those 2 types that his chakra has affinity to he uses moes eficently? Well, that's at least how I understand that, but if someone can prove me wrong it's ok.
    Not really. Generally, by nature, it means one elemental affinity. The confusion comes when people start talking about numbers. This is the explanation: Jonins typically have two or more elements. Not that becoming a jonin requires the shinobi to have two, just that they generally can use this much because they have experience in jutsu. Lee is an example, he can become a jonin even if he uses no elements. Maybe someone can learn to use all the 5 elements, but this is unlikely (as Jiraiya would have taught Naruto to use Katons/Dotons, Kakashi would have taught Naruto to use Water/Earth/Lightning). Don't listen to Numbnut10, as his name implies. Looking back at other chapters, why is it that Kakashi has only used those 3 elements I mentioned? He obviously can't use Kaze because he wouldn't have told Naruto to find Asuma. He can't copy all jutsu with the sharingan, just the ones he has the ability to use. He explained that he taught Sasuke chidori because Sasuke was of the same type (lightning), he didn't say "I just did Raikiri and Sasuke copied it with sharingan". It is either that he taught Sasuke the handseals and looked to see if anything would happen, or he used the chakra paper. Sasuke has Katon's because it is an Uchiha element, it doesn't really mean that it is his natural element. Training & or experience might be the reason why the other elements manifest themselves... *I have to go* I'm not finished.

    I started going off on a tangent towards the end. I hope I at least partially answered your question. Kishimoto hasn't shown any character with all 5, and has deliberately used the same constant ones for characters.
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    sharingan copies hand-seals, which means all jutsus of every elements can be copied. However, results might not be satisfying if ur element doesn't match or u lack a special condition like blood inheritage.
    i agree with dumbnut10. U can learn every elements, but some might be much more difficult to learn. It's a matter of affinity. But maybe i'm to much influenced by HxH.
    And Lee does't use nature manipulation because he's an asshole when it comes to manipulating chakra.

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    i guess affinity is word to describe it. i think around chapter 314 or 315 explains it all.. the stuff about chakra card and stuff. it seems like ur chakra is leaned towards to one type of nature. you're just not limited to two. most likely, using top two nature that suits ur chakra would be the best...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoryt View Post
    I don't think it works like that. For one, I don't think EVERY character uses an Element. Secondly, Shikamaru's Shadow Manipulation is NOT a bloodline limit. Just a jutsu signature to their clan. Thirdly, there was no limit placed on the number of elements a person can use HOWEVER some people can use two elements simultaneously at one time, which is a bloodline limit (Such as in the case with Haku, who could use water and wind AT ONE TIME creating ice. Whether he could use them seperately, we're not sure of).

    Shika's shadow manipulation is probably "Ying"

    This might be only speculation, but the part where yamato and kakashi explained the elements, kakashi/yamato did mentioned about the Ying and Yang when naruto asked about Shika's shadow manipulation.

    In Chinese Qi Gong Science, Chinese Huang Ti Medicine and Taoism (the real taoism, not some religious variant made up by superstitious chinese), the basic unit is Qi (or chakra), then it combines and produces Ying and Yang, and then the five elements (Metal, Wood, Water, Fire, Earth). The ying and yang represents the "qi" status of the body and the five elements represent the organs of our body.

    My guess is, kishi's elemental stuffs are largely related to the stuffs mentioned above.

    Correct me if i'm wrong lol, i forgot alot of those Qi Gong Science stuffs already due to slacking.

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    But i do think it's strange that Naruto is the only one so far not being able to manipulate the kyuubi's characteristic which is fire, i know u guys want to say the manga is different but so far all the other bijuus shown in the manga have fit their respective element of the myth.

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    ^ No they haven't.

    We don't really know how or if the nekomata controls death (we only saw a fireball from it).

    And the sanbi was some random water creature (not an Isonade).

 

 
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