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    Deathbringerpt is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    Naruto´s smart when the story need him to be, the remaining 80% of the fights he´s the usual douchebag that we know.

    Still he´s not the worst ninja out there like people make him out to be.

    True, after 3 years training with a legendary Sainin (or whatever the fuck that name is), Naruto could have improved alittle more that he had but no, he gets his ass kicked *all* the time and then suddently Kakashi pops out of nowhere and say "Hey Naruto, seeing that your ass was raped time and time again in the last arc, let me tell you about this training that i didn´t bother to mention for some reason".

    How the hell Jiraya, one of those legendary 3 ninjas who personally trained the 4th hokage himself which made him the perfect trainer for Naruto didn´t bothered to tell him that he could train faster by making a gazilion clones?

    This manga can be terrible some times.
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    Niikura is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    Well first of all Kakashi had a lot of time in his hands - to think about this method, afair.
    Plus.. Jiraiya could not surpress the Nine Tails Chakra. Yamato could surpress the Nine Tails from taking over Naruto's body .. that's why Jiraiya couldn't train him that way.
    But anyways you should not look down on Jiraiya's training - Naruto was WAY stronger when he came back from training with Jiraiya.
    Just imagine how different his fights went.. well, the fights where he does not go kyuubi. (Like fighting Kakashi-sensei .. well, he was still dumb back then, but better than before he went away .. and he really grew up)
    Additionally didn't Jiraiya teach him a "secret strange rocker Jutsu"? He said something about this new jutsu.. well, we will see.
    Naruto definately matured. ^^

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    Deathbringerpt is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    [QUOTE=Niikura;375541Naruto definately matured. ^^[/QUOTE]

    Iīm not saying that he didnīt matured and evolved, from the initial fights we see that he did but then we see that everyone else evolved alot more then him...and then he gets alot stronger in what, 2 weeks? then he did in 3 years.

    Anywa, Jiraya should have been the one to tell all of that, not Kakashi.

    But yeah, i did forgot about "that jutsu", it seems Sasuke also has one, Jiraya advised Naruto not to use it and Orochimaru downright told him not to, letīs see how that turns out.

    In the end, Shikamaru manages to save this manga. =P

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    Niikura is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    No, Chouji does. He goes really big using Baika No Jutsu and eats the world.
    The manga will be continued as "Chouji eat World" after that.

    I´m not saying that he didn´t matured and evolved, from the initial fights we see that he did but then we see that everyone else evolved alot more then him...and then he gets alot stronger in what, 2 weeks? then he did in 3 years.
    And I can't really find an argument speaking against that. So you've got your point there. Maybe Jiraiya thaught Naruto ... different things.. he's the perv sennin after all.

    Maybe Naruto couldn't go on like this, he couldn't use Kakashi's training-method, without Jiraiya improving Naruto's overall skill from the start.. hum. I don't know.. something smells fishy, lol.

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    I guess I will throw in a couple of thoughts about the training of Jiraiya. First off, it's possible that Jiraiya doesn't even use the Kage Bunshin no Jutsu; he has shown no signs of possessing the jutsu himself, while kakashi has. This could mean that Jiraiya has no knowledge of the passing on of knowledge. I know most will respond to this by saying that "how could a Sannin not know Kage Bunshin, or at least know how it works." But if you think about it, the only Sannin to use a clone technique was Orochimaru, and it wasn't a Shadow Clone, but some kind of snake clone.

    Secondly, we know that Jiraiya said during the summoning jutsu training that Naruto doesn't need perfect chakra control since he has so much more chakra than normal people. By that standpoint, it would make sense that he didn't bother going over basics with him, save for telling him about countering Genjutsu (as we see in a flash back against the shapeshifted Itachi) because it was likely Naruto's weakest subject (why he had such difficulty with a normal Bunshin no Jutsu, a Genjutsu, but learned Kage Bunshin, which would be more like a Ninjutsu, without too much trouble.)

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    damn right, naruto may have acted like an idiot most of the time in the first arc, but he is really coming into his own now

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    Um, did everyone magically forget Naruto's childhood?

    Ever since he's been very little, it's not like he's had anyone to push him to do well in school - probably the contrary. It's not even that he didn't have parents, since other people have gone around that obstacle just fine. It's the fact that during his school years, he was (likely) belittled by both his teachers, his fellow peers, and also everyone around him. You're expecting him to be intelligent and fantastically mature? Yeesh. He was a little kid, and things impress on kids more easily than they do on adults. I think it's admirable that he turned out the way he did after being beaten down so much both emotionally and academically.

    Also, like many other shounen series, this is a coming-of-age story. He's becoming more mature, etc. If anything, it's fantastic that he's making up for his lack of book smarts with sheer ingenuity and tactical knowledge.

    We don't know how Naruto would've turned out had he the opportunity for a better education, but whatever, mad props.

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    Naruto is an adaptive tactitian. Basically means he can adapt his strategies better then most ninja. This is narutos strength.

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    Listen!!!!; Naruto is stupid and that's what Kishimoto Banks his money on. Kishimoto is trying to have his readers sympathize with the character(Naruto) hence he created a character with a really low IQ.
    He writes Naruto as a stupid monkey-like character with some usually really really short period of brilliance. He even proved it again with that latest jutsu flop and as he done countless time before(the bells at the beginning, chakra training, the fart against Kiba, The kuchiyose training...)
    Frankly im tired of it, u can only see the same type of comic relief so much that u never expect anything really great from the character, or expect him to fuck up at a moment who doesn't really require it.


    They say a main character reflects its mangaka and i think Sasuke's genius and sharpness might reflect what kishimoto wanted to be as a kid minus all the hate.

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    Has anyone else noticed that whenever people bash a subject, they don't really have to put as much work into it as the people who are defending the view? Most of the time when a person is insulting something, they are using assumptions and beliefs without much to back it up, but if a person were to try and defend an agruement with assumptions and beliefs, everyone would be wanting some sort of proof for that view. That's just what I have noticed, so bring on the flaming that will come from that observation.

 

 
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