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    oldmagic is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xandros View Post
    Zabuza - Everything you said i agree with in this fight. It was an excellent battle with a lot of wits and cunning moves. Unfortunately Naruto (along with every fight scene from here in with the exception of Shikamaru) just keeps getting stupider and moves more towards who has raw power than is smarter. You don't see the substitution techniques anymore...

    Neji - if i remember correctly it isnt that naruto intentionally left one of his clones behind, its that no matter what naruto did there would always be one clone who did less than the others. Neji read naruto wrong, it wasn't naruto's intelligence.

    Rasengan Training - The Fourth Hokage and Kakashi, both genius Shinobi, were unable to by combining nature manipulation to his Rasengan? The fourth died before completing the tech, naruto resumed where he left off. Naruto also had the equivalent of several years training and isnt even all the way to the new tech yet. His need didn't help him during that time and he almost gave up if not for Kakashi.

    Kimimaro - He didn't realize from the Kimimaro fight that it would be useless? Naruto essentially fought Kimimaro hundreds of times and never gained an inch. He could have easily just made enough clones to mask his escape to pursue sasuke but he wasnt that smart. I thought you said he learns through need? Didn't he need to go after sasuke?

    Kakuzu - It took Naruto what, 4-5 years (not counting the experience the shadow clone training/fights gave him) to finally BE TOLD by Kakashi how to properly use shadow clones for recon and training?

    I shatter your moments of brightness with the clawing shadow of stupidity that is consuming the series.
    Neji - Actually, it was common sense that Naruto had that helped him against Neji. And Naruto seems to have plenty of that.

    Rasengan Training - Well, thats obvious. It's a hard technique. I wouldn't be surprised if he said he did give up. That move is something even the Forth hasn't finished which says a lot of things.


    Kimimaro - of boy! the guy was pissed and was losing his mind because of sasuke. Hell, i would be to. It's pretty much common sense that when naruto goes fox, he doesn't think properly.


    Kakuzu - for all the years he has been using the shadow clones, i think in a way he did get it instinctively. There is no way in hell that something like that he wouldn't know after the the may uses of his shadow clones. In my opinion, he may not know it but he knows it instinctively. Like the fight with Neji in the tournament.

    I can't believe people are making a list just to prove naruto isn't stupid. The guy is the main character for s*** sakes.
    Last edited by oldmagic; 01-29-2007 at 09:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by true_panda View Post
    Well in the kimimaru thing Naruto was losing his mind with the only goal in his mind being to get sasuke back and kimi was blocking him from chasing him.
    Part of my point is Naruto is stupid for letting his emotions get the best of him. Remember in the Zabuza saga when Sakura was like "A shinobi must never cry or show emotions,"? Naruto fails at that so Kimimaro was able to easily beat him.

    Quote Originally Posted by true_panda View Post
    The Deidera thing, Naruto knows almost no long range techniques, thus trying to get close to attack would be necessary.
    If a guy ,from an organization of powerful ninjas whos power has already been established and seen by you firsthand, with unknown techniques is standing apart from you do you run up and try to jump him or let him make the first move?

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    The whole gaara fight was totally whack if you think about it.
    Yeah, seriously.

    Quote Originally Posted by true_panda View Post
    Naruto was mad because Oro made Sasuke his sex slave, and when he uses sasuke's name possessively (Our Sasuke) Naruto got mad again, which if you think about makes sense =p
    Again failing to control his emotions.

    Quote Originally Posted by true_panda View Post
    With the Sasuke thing, if you notice Naruto had to take a break from walking around the base, and he tripped as he ran to Sasuke, he could barely stand let alone kick Sasuke's ass.
    You're tired because the demon inside of you took over and tried to beat the crap out of a rapist snake; you then meet your emo friend who tried to kill you the last time you saw him. I wouldn't exactly run up to greet him if I were Naruto.

    Quote Originally Posted by true_panda View Post
    With Mizuki well... it was all mind games, Mizuki led Naruto into thinking he was the good one by telling Naruto about the secrets everyone hid from him D:
    And then your father figure shows up, who do you trust? You shouldn't have to wait for the other guy to throw a shuriken in his back.

    Quote Originally Posted by true_panda View Post
    With the Itachi thing honestly 2 guys show up all bad ass, the first thing you think is "Im fked" he also tried to help Sasuke but Pervy dude #1 stopped him from attacking D:
    Aren't ninjas good at finding people? He should've just played along to try to avoid getting killed. Even if he didn't know how strong they were 2 vs. 1 usually leads to the victory of the pair.

    Quote Originally Posted by true_panda View Post
    Forgive me for any grammatical errors, this being the Naruto forum I'm sure you can read almost anything by now.
    Yeah no problem yours was easy enough to read.


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    The thing i would like to say considering this thread is that, "no" one is perfect. Everyone has faults and naruto has plenty just like sasuke and Itachi. err...thats all i would like to say.

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    shouldn't naruto's age be taken somewhat into account? Also the manga wouldn't be fun if the loud mouth brat was also a strategic genius. Everyone in the manga has a build. Naruto's is stamina, Choji's is strength, Shikamaru's is intelligence etc. I say he's below average book smarts, and above average street smarts. He's done some clever things with his shadow clones at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mystic_guard_sinoel View Post
    If a guy ,from an organization of powerful ninjas whos power has already been established and seen by you firsthand, with unknown techniques is standing apart from you do you run up and try to jump him or let him make the first move?
    IIRC, before Naruto pounced:
    1.) Deidara has his arm blown off before that happened (unless you're Haku, no jutsu 4 u).
    2) I believe his back was turned( He was running away).


    Quote Originally Posted by mystic_guard_sinoel View Post
    You're tired because the demon inside of you took over and tried to beat the crap out of a rapist snake; you then meet your emo friend who tried to kill you the last time you saw him. I wouldn't exactly run up to greet him if I were Naruto.
    Ahem:
    Quote Originally Posted by mystic_guard_sinoel View Post
    If a guy ,from an organization of powerful ninjas whos power has already been established and seen by you firsthand, with unknown techniques is standing apart from you do you run up and try to jump him or let him make the first move?
    Well, anyway, Sasuke made the first move. He traveled at a blinding speed that not even Yamato was able to catch.

    Quote Originally Posted by mystic_guard_sinoel View Post
    And then your father figure shows up, who do you trust? You shouldn't have to wait for the other guy to throw a shuriken in his back.
    I don't even know why the Mizuki incident was brought up, but Naruto was... basically at Lv. 1 ninja-experience. Also, he was confused after learning who he really was.

    Quote Originally Posted by mystic_guard_sinoel View Post
    Aren't ninjas good at finding people? He should've just played along to try to avoid getting killed. Even if he didn't know how strong they were 2 vs. 1 usually leads to the victory of the pair.
    ...They were going to cut off his legs...
    Last edited by HFreeman; 01-29-2007 at 07:38 PM.

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    He would be half the ninja he is now.
    Um, Earth to [insert name], Naruto doesn't adhere to the traditional laws of existence.
    Last edited by sethblodia; 01-29-2007 at 07:15 PM.
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    naruto didnt like iruka very much for failing him at the time of the mizuki incident.
    and being told that he was a demon fox who killed the life of the village(and his hero) isnt gonna leave a 13 year old all calm and controlled.
    even sasuke would have been like that.

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    You can't use Narutos emotions against him.
    That's what makes him and almost every other konoha shinobi win their fights (and it makes them special).
    And most bad guys get beaten because they are ninja in a traditional sense that lack emotions and dreams/goals and a just tools.

    You should at least have learned that by reading Naruto by now.

    The thing is it can't work any time.
    And Kimi was not made out to be Narutos opponent to begin with.
    What should've happened? Naruto beats the shit out of the former leader of the sound five in a few minutes and follows Sasuke almost unharmed?

    Kimmimaro was made out to fight Lee, so Naruto couldn't beat him.


    But it's true he lacks constancy with his smarts.
    Espacially after seeing the Zabuza fight.

    Makin a large amount of clones and attack Zabuza to blind him, transform into a shurikan, take into account he'd dodge etc.
    That's thinking several steps ahead of the action like almost only Shika could do it.

    I could be very well wrong since a bit time has passed that I read the whole manga in detail, but I can't think of a character besides Shika that has done such a thing.
    Not even the all praised Sasuke.

    Naruto is just the way he is. Reckless and naive (just like goku and Ruffy).
    And I think he'll keep some of that attitude through the entire manga.
    I for one couldn't imagine a Naruto that is all shika like.
    And I certainly wouldn't want to read about him.
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    with all the bashing and critisizing (tell me if my spelling is wrong), i only have one question:


    WHY ARE YOU STILL READING THE SERIES????


    naruto is just like any other main character in other manga (ichigo of bleach, yusuke of yuyu hakusho, rekka of rekka no honou etc.) they are loudmouthed, impulsive, and tends to give in to their emotions. so if naruto is stupid, so it is safe to say that all the characteres i mentioned above are also stupid.


    im not going to depend naruto and state different possibilities whether he is stupid or not. and also, im not trying to prove im rational while posting this message of mine. its all about respect and appreciation. if you think the totality of series is nothing but stupidity, then you should stop reading the manga.

    ps. i bet those whose critisize naruto are neji's fan. coz they keep deciding on things as if they can't change. you know who you are...

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    Naruto isnt stupid he just doesnt have normal genius. Hes shown more of an analytical and strategic mind then one like shika and sasuke.

 

 
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