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    lol ignore the deliberate attempt to imitate elmer fudd and you'll see that I was simply providing evidence from the manga that Wotsaheart(s) carebear isn't dumb. From the start of their battle with Azuma's team to this one there has been plenty of evidence implying that his analytical and possibly his strategical abilities are on a par with anything we've seen from Shikamaru. Reread from that point if you don't believe me. From what I've seen of the fight so far he's been using different elements and combined attacks to keep his opponents off balance most of which have been focused on Kakashi as he's the greatest threat to him. A good strategist doesn't use an overly complicated plan when a simple one will do. What will be interesting to see is how he handles the new playmates

    Edit: oops forgot to mention the possibility that he was also playing with them to a degree, just waiting for Baron Samedi Akatsuki to come back and join in the slaughter so he wouldn't have to listen to him moaning about not getting to share the kill.
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    If you dont mind, lets me end this senseless arguement.

    Shika has been shown to be smart from the beginning, since he isnt much at other things. Like Lee with his ninjutsu, and nothing else....try to see my point.

    In term of intelligence, shika and kikashi can be equal...but who use it best, Shika, namely because Kakashi has his other ability to rely on, so he only use his brain when he wants to or needs to, not all the time like Shika. "you win some, you lose some" Is that so hard to understand. SAme thing apply to Kazuku. HIm being killed twice doesnt imply he is dumb or not using his brain (which odd to be rotting), he was being ganged, but that what teamwork is all about, its 4 vs. 2, eventhough only kakashi and shika do most of the fighting, Ino and Choji are there to distract...for me thats good enough (this is shika's plan, maybe they arent weak, just do what shika told them, hence teamwork is more important for this kinda of battle) While many of you are thinking about one-on-one combat, thats a big mistake!

    As for the analysis about Shika and the girls, in most cases if not all, he rather not fight any of them...but it does show he is rather a weakling. So for those thinking Shika is the main man now because it looks like he is defeating Hidan...he didnt do it himself! So dont act like he did. Dont get me wrong, he pretty much fought HIdan himself, but it wasnt exactly 1 vs 1 from the beginning. for the purpose of analysis, also show why Kazuku and the others can be excluded and Shika would still win, but that isnt Kishi's intent. Of course i can see how Shika can win Hidan 1 vs 1, but that shouldnt lead us to say he is all that.

    I know we tend to be less objective when it come to our favorite character. But in the end, each charater has his own role...thus it would make more sense if we discuss whether Kishi did a good job casting his charaters, maybe in a different thread, but that would be boring to many of us, i guess. Cause we do like senseless prediction and opinion once a while. If you know ur making a thoughtless statement, dont defend it when others comment about it.

    I hope that sounds fair
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    the only time hes ever made a wreckless decision was when he had to stall the sound nin from reaching sasukes rescue team
    You don't think wanting to go after Hidan and Kazuku (when he knew almost nothing about his abilitys) with just Ino and Choji was reckless?

    If Kakashi hadn't been there to go with them they'd be all dead for a long time.
    For someone with an IQ of 200+, I'd call that pretty reckless, if not stupid.


    SO tell me where exactly did Kakuzu "fall" into one of his traps hm? and don't tell me the ambush, attacks from all sides can hardly be blocked
    And maybe, if someone knows his own jutsus and thinks he is invincible he doesn't really care if he is hit by a raikiri through the heart.

    For that I too wouldn't call him stupid.
    He is just thinking he can't be beat and is acting that way. Just like Hidan is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor View Post
    And maybe, if someone knows his own jutsus and thinks he is invincible he doesn't really care if he is hit by a raikiri through the heart.

    For that I too wouldn't call him stupid.
    He is just thinking he can't be beat and is acting that way. Just like Hidan is.
    You're right, some of us use the wrong lable. Instead of stupid, call them cocky/careless...whatever it is, its the reason they fail. Recall Deidara,, careless in the beginning, she simply owned Gaara with an effective strategy later, with a arm lost of course.

    Personally, from the way things look, i think Kishi is concluding this battle the best way possible:

    Shika though recklessly on taking revenge, he did plan well, and do not ignore basic psychology in this battle, Kazuku and HIdan are tough, but the are careless, the most obvious weakness of any strong opponent! So Shika deserves praise, if he will defeat HIdan for certain. If anything, Shika is resourceful and know how to take advantage of opponent's weaknesses let it be stupidity or otherwise.

    AS far as backup goes, its a trend in the Leaf village to send some one on a mission real quick, then send back up. thus Trust is the basis for most missions. And the ppl of the Leaf village cares about its members, except a few (itachi is first in line). This helps me conclude that Shika is driven by revenge, but the Fifth probably wouldnt let him go without kakashi and backup, and pray that the team survive. When 2 vs 7, Akatsuki doesnt seem weak at all. But they must lose somehow, good guys need to win, otherwise, where is justice.

    To praise Shika is to downplay Kakashi and the rest...thus some of us feel that isnt right. But Kazuku is certainly not impressive in term of teamwork, he is somewhat cocky (and Hidan). And if they are losing the battle because of that, Kishi has done illustrating a point: Power isnt everything. But some of us committed a folly by turning this thread into a semi-versus thread and start comparing Kakashi and Shika..etc.
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    Here's the way I kind off see it.

    Shika, starts off with a plan and has back ups;


    Shika's Plan a < Which goes to plan< b Or plan c, if anything goes wrong.Which could go into < d or e

    Kakashi with his years of experience and the Sharingan lets him know his opponents abilties. So he doesn't go off like a loose cannon.

    Shika,this time didn't take the time to get to know about Kazuku's powers. This lack of knowledge would of killed him if it wasn't for Kakashi's quick thinking.

    Or a another way of thinking is playing speed chess vs a tournament.
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    Are his eyes looking Kyuubi-ish, on the MQ, or am I seeing things?

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    well, lets recap for those who havent paid attention to the manga correctly. the nine sound nin were pegged as being jounin by that damned dog whose name escapes me, he made it clear that they were orochimarus henchmen and that they were under his direct orders. and then he stated that they were all jounin level. ( now i shall repeat myself, he did take the ninth nin into account, but his objective was to stall not to destroy, so the existence of that ninth nin wasnt of any importance, not when it came to his objective, that nin wouldnt have left his members behind, because his job is to watch over the other eight )as for falling into his traps, well letting shikamaru take hidan away so that they could leave kakuzu at a disadvatage was a trap, also collecting kakuzus blood without anyone knowing was a trap, stalling until theyre back up team was a trap, catching them in shikamarus new shadow manipulation jutsu was a trap. let me see how many traps have i already made light of hmm 4.... yeah, kakuzu is amazing when it comes to making correct choices. (by the way that was sarcasm)

    now as for kakuzus strategy being stupid..... i guess it cant be called stupid, because honestly it cant even be called a strategy. hes just attacking and attacking and attacking, hes no more than a rabbid dog. kakuzu isnt just one ninja hes an amalgamation of five, he has the combined technique and chakra of other ninjas within his anatomy, if we were to calculate it correctly wed see that hidan and kakuzu had more party members than shikamarus squad, it was four against six to begin with, and shika has already been able to incapacitate three. so yeah kakuzu is just an arrogant weakling who cant fight using his own "strenght" he needs to steal the strenght of others just to fight one on one with kakashi. and by the way kakashi has been holding back thus far, one because he has to continually save ino and choji and two because he tries not to use the mangekyu too much from fear of injury.

    as for shikas decision to go after the two akatsuki members with only minimal preperation goes, im pretty sure that he had already calculated theyre chances of success, it wasnt reckless at all, it was a passionate decision driven by his nindo. shika had a plan, but seeing as kakashi joined them, we never got to see that plan, who knows if it was a reckless decision, at this point wether or not his decision was reckless or not is merely hypothetical.

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    i give up no point trying to convince anyone, since no one's minds can be changed through just words

    i have my opinion and people have theirs whatever

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    Quote Originally Posted by event View Post
    Are his eyes looking Kyuubi-ish, on the MQ, or am I seeing things?
    yeah, sorta looks like it. But we'll see in the next chapter. But imo, this chapter was a waste...blah.

 

 
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