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    I wonder if Kisimoto really should have have had Garra reform. Don't get me wrong, I liked seeing all the new sand jutsus, and the parallel betwen him, the only other Jinchurrikii that Naruto knew becoming a kage which is Naruto's goal. However, this goes completly against Garra's charchter is a psychopath, and psychopaths (along with Sex offenders, but that is another story) are incapable of reforming even with psychiatric treatment.

    Signs that Garra is a psychsociopath during the Chunin Exam saga are clear cut. He is bloodthirsty, and kills for no reason. Finally, he is unable to control his bloodlust and is unable to hold himself back. Just about all of the other villans in the series have REASONS, however depraved, for their murders, and killings. Garra, however, does not. Basically, in reality Orochimaru (provided all off those jokes about him being a pedophile aren't true *LOL*) would stand a better chance of reforming then Garra.

    Don't get me wrong, psychopathy can be born out of trauma in one's past, particularly during early childhood(i.e., Garra), istead of being (supposedly?) born this way. However, once they change into a psychopath, there is no turning back.

    I basically chock the reason for this MINOR goof up to a incomplete understanding of psycopathy on Kishimoto-san's part.
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    Since I don't know much about psychology, I could only shyly say that the reason why Gaara is this way is because of the One Tail inside.
    ... Aside from that, um, I'm lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by animalia View Post
    I basically chock the reason for this MINOR goof up to a incomplete understanding of psycopathy on Kishimoto-san's part.
    Funny little world we live in, where a pseudo-science like Psychology can be applied to fictional characters with supernatural influences, and how it's completely proven and totally inargueable that someone whose always been killing would suddenly change if someone, for the first time since the death/suicide of their surogate mother, who was trying to kill them at the time, actually bothered to stand up for them and defeated the influence (litterally) that was overpowering them at the time.


    Hell, it was over two years between that scene and when we saw him again. I don't put it past some odd, strange, and I know it, impossible level of realism if this person happened to calm down to a "reasonable level" for a war-like people's lifestyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terasiel View Post
    Funny little world we live in, where a pseudo-science like Psychology can be applied to fictional characters with supernatural influences, and how it's completely proven and totally inargueable that someone whose always been killing would suddenly change if someone, for the first time since the death/suicide of their surogate mother, who was trying to kill them at the time, actually bothered to stand up for them and defeated the influence (litterally) that was overpowering them at the time.


    Hell, it was over two years between that scene and when we saw him again. I don't put it past some odd, strange, and I know it, impossible level of realism if this person happened to calm down to a "reasonable level" for a war-like people's lifestyle.
    First off, Psychology is accepted as REAL science by the bulk of the rest of the scientific community. Second, to quote wikipedia
    They [Psycopaths] show poor impulse control and a low tolerance for frustration and aggression. They have no empathy, remorse, anxiety or guilt in relation to their behavior. In short, they truly are devoid of conscience.
    Not only did Garra show no conscience during the whole of the Chunnin Exam saga, but MORE IMPOTANTLY, he showed POOR IMPULSE CONTROL AND A LOW TOLERENCE FOR FRUSTRATION AND AGRESSION. Examples of poor impulse control and low tolerence for frustration are when he kills the (was it mist?) Ninja even after they get the scroll, is helpless, and he begs for mercy, which is also in direct violation of his team's plans to only engage in combat with another team UNTIL they know if they have the scroll they were looking for. They did not know it was the right scroll until after Garra killed the guy. Garra was simply frustrated because it had been too long since he had pampered to his bloodlust. Another example his increasing anger and rage each time he fails to finish of the, by then, helpless Rock Lee. Also the low tolerence for aggression combines with the poor imulse control, when his desire to kill Sasuke increases when Sasuke manages to wound him. I will admit that not having experienced pain before probably didn't help things. The fact is Psycopaths have either lost thier conscience or (arguably) never had one. As for begining to develop one, all attempts to treat psychopaths have failed, be it therappy or dugs, and I AM including intervention with thereapy. In short, THERE ARE NO PROVEN CASES OF A PSYCOPATH EVER REFORMING. Finally, as for Garra's past, I did say that someone can BECOME a psychopath thorugh trauma, and Garra's past certainally qualify as trauma.
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    Its a kids show, a shounen ^^, not some psycho drama or evangelion alike which base on characters past/reasonings. We could asumme that it was shukaku. Meaby they used some kind of jutsu on him who knows. Its a manga after all.

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    Wasnt part of Gaaras problem the fact he could not sleep?

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    Oh no, ninjas that can use jutsus that are obviously fake (hence it being a story) don't abide by the laws of science! TC get over yourself and stop acting like your so intelligent.

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    this is retarded... its a fucking manga... if youre gonna start applying the laws and theories of science to gaara start with the magic Sand Shield he walks around with before you get to his personality. BTW. his personality was severly influenced by Shukakus presence AND insomnia... remove those two and give him a chance to understand his true purpose in life and see what lies ahead and i think instead of a ruthless psychopathic killer you end up with exactly what we got, a cold ruthless NOT psychopathic killer... by no means is Gaara a nice person now. Different yes but dont go theorizing like he suddenly turned into Sandiame.


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    This is from someone



    just copy paste since I can't post links yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revangale View Post
    This is from someone

    i77.photobucket.com/albums/j47/Sannin_Shinobi/catgirls.gif

    just copy paste since I can't post links yet.
    hilarious but this is the Naruto section.... its got a legacy and reputation of complete and total idiocy to upkeep... and the OP is hard at work making sure it stays that way.

    you get +1!


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