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    Bledge is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    @Divine: even though I like your theory, I think that we see a panel of Madara with Danzo's corpse inside the room with all the Sharingans.
    He said something like "Danzo, that bastard, he crushed Shisui's eye, such a valuable eye"
    He was alone in the room, I would lose more of my temper if I could get back my original eye, but crushed by a bastard. Even if it's not relevant for future plan.

    And if Tobi was Shisui, then how did he lose his eye to Danzo in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineVTDragon View Post
    Two reasons why Kushina will not come back as a Zombie.

    1) He tried. Kushina was only until recently stuck inside Naruto, and he couldn't pull her out (same example as the Shinigami/Hokages). Why would he continue to bother when he has no idea what happened during Naruto's Bijuu training.

    2) Kushina wasn't well known enough to warrant an Edo Tensei. If Kabuchimaru DOES warrant her worthy enough, then he might as well Edo Tensei back Shodaime's wife >_>.

    Since this current chapter we can rule out the original Sage, since he said he's been trying but can't find enough DNA. Also, we can rule out Shisui since he can't find the body.

    I REALLY think this current Madara is Shisui, and the coffin Edo Tensei was the original Madara.

    - Kabuchimaru can't return Shisui because he can't find the body.
    - Shisui oddly has the same hair style as Tobi (akin to Naruto and Yondaime).
    - Shisui died BEFORE the massacre involving Itachi, and the letter was oddly suspicious.
    - Itachi said he looked up to Shisui, and him "finding" Madara out of nowhere... is also suspicious.
    - Madara has a whole mess of corpses of Uchiha; who's to say he didn't grab them after the massacre?
    1) Actually, Kushina died normally and her soul status is normal as well. Both Kushina & Minato just put some of their chakra into different parts of the kyuubi seals, which is why Naruto could see them when his seal broke down or when he dealing with the kyuubi. Chakra storage apparently has nothing to do with soul status or living, considering Minato's situation.

    I agree on #2, though then again I feel this way about most of the ET summons. Also, the chapter said nothing of the original Rikudo sennin's dna.

    The Madara=Shisui theory has sounded pretty retarded to me for a few reasons. First of all, Shisui was an active mid-ranking member of the Uchiha clan during Itachi's time living in Konoha, which is well after the scene where we saw Yondy fight masked Tobi. Also, if Tobi=Shisui then Itachi wouldn't have the mangekyo sharingan since Tobi isn't dead, afaik.

    Another reason is that there's a simpler implication regarding Shisui's corpse. We know that Itachi killed Shisui, and that later Danzo had Shisui's eyes implanted on his bodies. This suggests that Danzo or ROOT got ahold of his body sometime near the Uchiha massacre. Since Danzo was using the sharingans he got off Uchiha corpses for military purposes, he would have hid those bodies well or destroyed them after they had become useless to prevent others from reaping the rewards of his research or getting their hands on the sharingans. This mentality is expressed in how Danzo destroyed Shisui's eye when he was dying to prevent Tobi from getting his hands on them. I think Kabuto's difficulty in finding them just shows Danzo's paranoid foresight in preventing such graverobbing postmortem.
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    I'm a bit bothered by a logical loop: to me, the last coffing showed off by Kabuto should logically be Madara's body since he (Madara) suddenly feels obliged to accept Kabuto's aid to the war (and Kabuto adds that he will keep the info secret). But at the same time, the Edo tensei requires the "resurrected" human to be dead, his/her soul being "available" for summon. If Madara is alive as Toby, then how can his soul be summoned in a zombie corpse? => Who else could that last body be?

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    If a sharingan user turns progressively blind when using Mangekyo sharingan but can keep it infinitely if using another person's sharingan... Madara indeed took his brother eyes but why weren't his own eyes transplanted into his brother? Therefore they could just swap eyes instead of having one of them blind forever!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Ickam View Post
    If a sharingan user turns progressively blind when using Mangekyo sharingan but can keep it infinitely if using another person's sharingan... Madara indeed took his brother eyes but why weren't his own eyes transplanted into his brother? Therefore they could just swap eyes instead of having one of them blind forever!?
    i believe Madara was already blind/on the verge of being blind when he took his brothers eyes. Similar to to the situation now with Sasuke and Itachi. But somehow Itachi was still able to use a full powered susanoo while apparently being blind, something that Sasuke could not do when he lost his sight.

    Also it was mentioned by Itachi that during madara's time countless uchihas were killed while experimenting the whole swapping eyeballs/gaining MS thing because many such transplants resulted in death or not a favourable result, so we can assume that madara and his brother did swap eyes but only madara gained while his brother lost. In other words its not 100% foolproof
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabot RND View Post
    i believe Madara was already blind/on the verge of being blind when he took his brothers eyes. Similar to to the situation now with Sasuke and Itachi. But somehow Itachi was still able to use a full powered susanoo while apparently being blind, something that Sasuke could not do when he lost his sight.

    Also it was mentioned by Itachi that during madara's time countless uchihas were killed while experimenting the whole swapping eyeballs/gaining MS thing because many such transplants resulted in death or not a favourable result, so we can assume that madara and his brother did swap eyes but only madara gained while his brother lost. In other words its not 100% foolproof
    Huuuu... maybe. Anyway we can only assume that indeed there is a risk linked to the eyes transplant operation! But still... Kakashi got his sharingan transplanted on the battlefield by Rin, an apprentice medic ninja (genin or chuunin), which would relativise the transplant risk factor...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Ickam View Post
    Huuuu... maybe. Anyway we can only assume that indeed there is a risk linked to the eyes transplant operation! But still... Kakashi got his sharingan transplanted on the battlefield by Rin, an apprentice medic ninja (genin or chuunin), which would relativise the transplant risk factor...?
    im gonna go out on a limb here and say that for the 5 or 6 successful living transplants that have been shown (madara?, danzo, kakashi, Ao and sasuke maybe deidara's arms) there have been like 500 failures. The dead seem to take whatever eyeball they are given no matter what.

    did kakashi just get lucky? whereas danzo had the medical genius that was orochimaru to fix him up good. And i wonder how the uchiha felt when they learned that their sharingan was transplanted to an 'outsider' like kakashi. Maybe they were like "oh shit, kakashi didn't die??!!??!?!?!11, well he'll die soon!"
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    Well, since we're all just sitting around waiting till next week for the chapter to come out. I've got a question/theory. Is the rinningen the next evolution of the sharingan when an uchiha gets some sort of part of someone from the senju or uzumaki clan?

    The rinningen first showed up in nagato, and then later it was revealed that he was an uzumaki. So when tobi said that he was the one who gave nagato the rinningen, maybe he actually transplanted a sharingan eye into him and because he was an uzumaki it evolved into an rinningen.

    and then as for madara, they said that he got it a little before he died, which I figure is around the time when he fought the first hokage, and got a part of his body. So because he had some of Senju's body his sharingan was able to evolve to the rinningen also

    I don't know if someone has already said all of this, but if they have can someone tell me where that conversation is?

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    This probably deserves its own thread, but oh well.

    That it would take the chakra of a Senju/Uzumaki and the sharingan of an Uchiha makes a lot sense, especially considering that the Rukido (the origin of the Rinnegan, as far as we know) had the two sons whose bloodline each eventually became the Senju and the Uchiha. However, if that was all it took to create a Rinnegan, then Danzo should have had Rinnegan's too, since his arm had Hashirama's cells and was also covered in Sharingans.

    So although your theory isn't exactly right, it's far from completely wrong. It may just be that there is just one more ingredient left before a Sharingan can become a Rinnegan, like for Nagato the shock of his parent's death (if that ever really happened), or for Madara something he had to go into hiding to achieve.

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    Major question: Was it EVER revealed what was "That Jutsu" jiraiya supposedly though naruto?

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