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    AtrumIncendia is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Haven't been on here in a while and I haven't been keeping up too much with "Naruto Theory 411". Just a question, that may have been answered already and in itself may be incorrect (but I could care less):

    How come so many people just assume that Izuna Uchiha could not have taken his brother's (Madara's eyes) as well? As stated by Itachi, as long as the MS found a different host, it would restore its light and never lose it again. So according to this statement, Izuna could have taken Madara's eyes, also gaining the EMS. It would make sense with Madara's story, considering he claims the act was mutual. So rather than thinking of it as thievery, it may have been a mutual exchange. The story may have left out certain information or created images to go along with the information given, seeing as how stories are shown to do so.

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    Pretty good thought. They could both be missing an eye. Maybe that's why they aren't strong enough. They need both eyes to have the activated Mangekyou.

    I wouldn't like that though. We only need Madara for some stupid lame reason. If his brother came into the mix it would just be a lot of drama

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazen View Post
    Pretty good thought. They could both be missing an eye. Maybe that's why they aren't strong enough. They need both eyes to have the activated Mangekyou.

    I wouldn't like that though. We only need Madara for some stupid lame reason. If his brother came into the mix it would just be a lot of drama
    I understand, by why only one eye? Why not both? (Though I do understand the singular eye seen through the mask concept).

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    It's an interesting theory!
    And if Madara really lost his "life" against the First, and in the shadow Izuna exchanged one of his eye and one of the nearly dead Madara for Madara's revival, having both only one eye...

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    Another thing I noticed, that possibly could have been overlooked. Sarutobi (the Third) was a ninja, presumably a jounin that instructed the Sannin in their youth. At the time, Sarutobi is shown to be somewhat aged, or rather in his 30's (possibly a little younger). However, the second Hokage appointed Sarutobi to be Hokage in what can be percieved as his teen years: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/481/09/

    (Unless he still had the time and availability to instruct three genin while being Hokage).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtrumIncendia View Post
    How come so many people just assume that Izuna Uchiha could not have taken his brother's (Madara's eyes) as well? As stated by Itachi, as long as the MS found a different host, it would restore its light and never lose it again. So according to this statement, Izuna could have taken Madara's eyes, also gaining the EMS. It would make sense with Madara's story, considering he claims the act was mutual. So rather than thinking of it as thievery, it may have been a mutual exchange. The story may have left out certain information or created images to go along with the information given, seeing as how stories are shown to do so.
    A few points on this:
    1) As far as we know, Izuna's eyes didn't descend to blindness ever.
    2) The proposed logic of the eye transfer technique(between brothers) as we know it has never been confirmed. We don't know whether the technique really works between brothers or whether Izuna's eyes were just different from Madara's. And since Tobi is the only invincible immortal Uchiha around, there's never been a case after that which has been successful using this technique.
    3) Izuna and Madara weren't that close, considering both got their mangekyos without killing each other.
    4) Tobi's story to Sasuke was clearly engineered and many important parts of it are confirmed lies. He suggests the kyuubi attack that killed Minato was a natural disaster, despite Jiraiya, Itachi, and later Minato all confirming Madara's hand in it before that and the latest chapter literally showing Tobi summon it.

    Even when the story is being told you can see how much of strain it is to believe Tobi's postured position of Madara when considering Madara's motivations and actions, and the known history of Konoha's civil conflicts. He also tries to convince us he was an altruist for the clan despite later slaughtering them rather than a power-hungry guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtrumIncendia View Post
    Another thing I noticed, that possibly could have been overlooked. Sarutobi (the Third) was a ninja, presumably a jounin that instructed the Sannin in their youth. At the time, Sarutobi is shown to be somewhat aged, or rather in his 30's (possibly a little younger). However, the second Hokage appointed Sarutobi to be Hokage in what can be percieved as his teen years: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/481/09/

    (Unless he still had the time and availability to instruct three genin while being Hokage).
    This i can answer by the databook. Sarutobi was 68 upon the time of his death and the sannin were all 50. Making him 18 years older. The sannin also graduated from the academy at the age of 6 making him 24 at the time of making them his students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama View Post
    A few points on this:
    1) As far as we know, Izuna's eyes didn't descend to blindness ever.
    2) The proposed logic of the eye transfer technique(between brothers) as we know it has never been confirmed. We don't know whether the technique really works between brothers or whether Izuna's eyes were just different from Madara's. And since Tobi is the only invincible immortal Uchiha around, there's never been a case after that which has been successful using this technique.
    3) Izuna and Madara weren't that close, considering both got their mangekyos without killing each other.
    4) Tobi's story to Sasuke was clearly engineered and many important parts of it are confirmed lies. He suggests the kyuubi attack that killed Minato was a natural disaster, despite Jiraiya, Itachi, and later Minato all confirming Madara's hand in it before that and the latest chapter literally showing Tobi summon it.

    Even when the story is being told you can see how much of strain it is to believe Tobi's postured position of Madara when considering Madara's motivations and actions, and the known history of Konoha's civil conflicts. He also tries to convince us he was an altruist for the clan despite later slaughtering them rather than a power-hungry guy.
    Well, I won't deny the fact that Madara did corrupt the information in his stories. What I was merely trying to state was the possibility of an "exchange" between the brothers.


    Quote Originally Posted by hellfire86 View Post
    This i can answer by the databook. Sarutobi was 68 upon the time of his death and the sannin were all 50. Making him 18 years older. The sannin also graduated from the academy at the age of 6 making him 24 at the time of making them his students.
    Well thank you for this answer. However, I do find it sketchy how young Sarutobi looks at the age of 24. Not only that, 24 was his youngest possible age. Also, in previous works, he looked a lot older when training and working with his team than when he was appointed Hokage.

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    ^True, it's a possibility, but a very weak one, especially considering Madara & Izuna were the first to perform and pioneer this eye exchange, meaning they wouldn't have had a special expectation from the eye transplant aside from just restored sight and possible sharingan & ms usage, much less realized the optimality of trading an eye or eyey when Madara's were blind.

    Also, an eye transplant doesn't kill a person, but Tobi took responsibility for killing Izuna. This could be a nice cover story if they really traded eyes and intended to keep a 2nd EMS user secret, but Itachi's story also corroborates this claim (though we don't know if Itachi was misled so that he would be pushed to fight Sasuke).

    On Sarutobi, remember that Sarutobi was mentored by Shodaime & Nidaime while they were both active. There probably was no convention of hokages being exempt from students early on, especially since the village was young and in need of solid replacement leaders during the wartime background of Konoha's founding. The three genin student allocation started from Sarutobi's generation as far as we know.
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    Atrum, you're trying to catch up on Naruto?

 

 

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