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    Talamare is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talamare
    sharingan can copy everything but signature moves
    Quote Originally Posted by adonai
    Can you elaborate? This goes for everyone in general, I still haven't heard a specific jutsu except for rasengan.


    I already mentioned this in the first post.

    example
    Shikamarus sig move is shadow bind - it magically cant copy that
    4th Hokage sig move is body flicker - so it cant copy it
    Narutos sig move is Kage Bunshin - so it cant copy it

    well i should say it wont copy it, other then it cant copy it
    it probably could copy it but ive noticed that trend and it will probably not get copied

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    These are from the 2nd data book and chapter 12 respectively:







    It suggests that there are certain jutsu that can't be used by just anyone such as secret jutsus, bloodline limits, and sealing jutsus.


    I'm pretty sure that the "S" level jutsus do not refer to the jutsu actually being classified as a secret jutsu, since several S level jutsus in the data books does not have the "secret" characters preceding them (they were instead labeled ninjutsu, sealing, ect).


    Chapter 12 also suggest that the sharingan only deals with nin, gen, and taijutsu, though it doesn't specifically exclude other jutsus.

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    i agree with talamare kakashi (sharingan) cant copy signature moves I think the fourth teached kakashi how to do the rasengan otherwise sasuke could have copy the rasengan a long time ago and he doesnt seem to

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    Like I said before it's impossible to copy the move if your body physically cannot do it or you mentally aren't prepared, which includes Summoning jutsu. Like how Rasengan needs a huge amount of chakra control if you tried and did it right off the bat as in "Sharingan Copying" then it probably would be impossible, unless you are someone like Neji who mastered his whole body's chakra.

    I don't think copying something like the Rasengan would be impossible, just extremely difficult enough to the point that if you were going to try and copy it, you would just be better off using your own moves that you are familiar with.

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    well neji probably could do a rasengan from all over his body ye that inclodes his ass

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    The sharingan will let him SEE what his opponent is doing to complete his move. So if it's a ninjutsu, he can see the seals, and copy them. However, if it's something like the byakugan where the body itself does it, he can't copy it. Because there's nothing TO copy.

    So pretty much any move that's physical or requires seals, a person with sharingan can technically copy. Whether they have the chakra or body strength to actually DO it is a different story, but they would at least know HOW.
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    Kakashi canīt do Rasengan, the scanlation is already out so donīt say that.

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    Why wouldn't he be able to? Kakashi is a genius, and his sensei was Yondaime. Sharingan isn't what made him great, he was already. The academy only teaches basic jutsu, so most genin/chunin's learn new D+ rank jutsu from their family or from their sensei.

    Speaking of which, we does he perform rasengan while holding his wrists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sethblodia
    Speaking of which, we does he perform rasengan while holding his wrists?
    I'm not sure, but I suspect that it's his own personal way of helping concentrate such a large amount of chakra into his hand. Even Naruto has his own way of doing it (cupping his other hand over the top to help regulate the chakra flow). I mean, Kakashi uses the same method for his Chidori too, where he also has to concentrate a huge amount of chakra into his hand.


    As for the Sharingan, I believe that it can copy anything which doesn't have a very specific requirement that only allows certain people to use it. To be more specific, I believe that he would be able to read/copy the method of performing the technique and be able to remember it, but not necessarily perform the technique due to themselves not meeting the requirements to perform the technique.

    Copied techniques that a Sharingan user would not meet the requirements to use would most likely include:
    - Bloodline limits (a technique requiring certain attributes that are passed on through genes)
    - Summoning techniques (a blood pact must be formed with the creature before summoning them)
    - Techniques which the Sharingan user's body is not physically able to perform (e.g. certain forms of Taijutsu, since they require physical strength and speed that not everyone can achieve)
    - Elemental techniques of a type that the Sharingan user does not have an affinity with

    As for the elemental techniques and Taijutsu, I do believe that the Sharingan user would be able to copy the actual methods for performing the techniques, but would not be able to properly perform them until their body became capable of doing it. My reason for believing this is that Sasuke was able to copy the form of Rock Lee's taijutsu before he had the physical abilities to actually use it.

    I also don't believe that a technique must have hand seals for the Sharingan user to be able to copy it. There's more than just hand seals to any technique, there's also the molding of chakra, as well as changing the shape/form and elemental type of the chakra. For the Sharingan user to be able to copy any jutsu at all, they must be able to copy all of these things, so that would mean that they should be able to copy a technique whether it requires hand seals or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Talamare
    hard to say its weak considering that kakashis version was just as strong as zabuzas

    but then again kakashi could really be water type too
    Kakashi didn't copy that water dragon jutsu from Zabuza, he knew it already before that fight. That's how he was able to hypnotically suggest the hand signals to Zabuza (using his Sharingan's genjutsu) and do the seals himself at the exact same moment, and actually perform the jutsu first. Zabuza even said so himself.

    I do believe that Kakashi must have water as his secondary element though, because it would be ridiculous for him to perform a water elemental technique of such power otherwise, copied or not.

    EDIT: Sorry, I might be getting mixed up here. I know that the Sharingan genjutsu suggesting hand seals to Zabuza did happen, but was it the water dragon jutsu, or the water explosion jutsu? I can't remember which of the two it was, or if im making the second one up even.
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    I just noticed in chapter 321 pg 10 Kakashi said that "I can copy it up to this point", though it's unclear whether he meant with the sharingan or he used "copy" as a substitute for "learn" or "imitate". Anyone else have a different translation (or can read Japanese)?

    On a unrelated (but important) note, seems posts only work after using "post reply".

 

 
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