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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold-NiTe
    I thought of a funny thing to do with this thread, but I'll wait till it's done with so you guys can use it freely.

    Anyway, did anyone mention if there is a rank associated with techniques that can't be copied, or if it's just the hardest ones.
    I think it's just the stuff you literally cannot do. It's a perfect replication, but you have to possess the underlying abilities. Meaning that in theory, the only uncopiable things would be kekkai genkai and personal abilities like the magnetic sand.

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    For abilities like the Sand's previous Hokage's magnetic sand and Shodaime's mokuton techniques, is there any sort of classification? I mean we hear about these abilities that only they could do, but no one ever says that there is a grouping. But essentially these abilities are like bloodline limits. No, actually they are better. Two people can have the same bloodline limit, i.e. Itachi and Sasuke. But personal abilities... to even begin to achieve that, it required experimentation and finally a surgery akin to cloning. I'd prefer the personal ability to a bloodline limit, because it would be a signature move that NO ONE else could have.

    Just a thought but, could the Yellow Flash technique that Yondaime use be one of these "cannot be replicated" personal abilities?
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    I responded dude, on the other page. Mangekyo Sharingan does use the different eye's, it also happens that Kakashi uses his left eye also for Tsukiyomi, probably meaning that hoping he will be able to do Amaterusa* (spelling) is wishful thinking.

    As for the Yondaime's secret jutsu, it probably is a "cannot be copied" jutsu. But he probably just applied hardcore shinobi logic to create that jutsu. The same way he thought up rasengan. It cant be akin to bloodline limit, since he isn't actually doing ninjutsu. I got the impression that his understanding of summons allowed him to figure it out. Basically, because the summons (Enma, that frog) aren't actually a part of the naruto world as we know it, they have to be part of another dimension. He figured out a way to manipulate a link between both places. but then again, I could just be talking nonsense.

    Bloodline limits have to start somewhere, its possible that genetic mutation in a person brings forth a new bloodline limit. Or the bloodline limit is latent in shinobi, and only those with the necessary ablity are able to "awaken" it. Like every Uchiha was sharingan, but not every Uchiha was the ability to use it. Now imagine two whole generations of n00b Uchiha's who cant activate sharingan, the ability will seem to die out, then one guy manages to activate it in the third generation, it would appear that he has a special personal ability, which isn't completely true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius
    Well just because he can copy doesn't mean he can use properly, he has to have the necessary skill to perform.
    But if you are enough skilled just because its a S rank doesn't mean that you can't copy it.

    But thoses usually require some special skill ex. Rasengan its just chakra but to control and spin it you need good deal of manipulation. but just because you know WHAT you have to do, doesn't mean your body can keep up and do it.

    Well on databook it says that the only restriction is: Kekkei Genkai.

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    The point is that these jutsu can't be performed ever, unless something extremely unusual happens. How is someone going to ever obtain a puppet? Or form a contract without someone serving as a intermediary? Or get bugs to live in their body? Or get a transplanted body part/cells (this does happen to Kakashi and Yamato, but the point is that they're not normal).

    And again, we know that elements serve as a limiting factor also, Sasuke had to learn how to manipulate lightening chakra (it took him three days, longer than for Naruto so he obviously didn't just copy it). And Kakashi has never used fire or wind type jutsu.

    As for S-level jutsu have you ever seen one that you think the enemy can immediately use without other prerequisites?

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    from your picture
    ...(Howerver in regards to bloodline limit and hiden/secret clans the classification of the jutsu's dificulty is denotade as A )
    So they are not S... nor because they are S they have to be something extreeme.

    IF kakashi had bugs living on his body he could copy Shinos abilities, but he does not, so he may know HOW to use the bugs in his body, but since he has none he can not perform the jutsu. (he has the knowledge not the tools)

    Like Kiba's beast mimic jutsu, he doesn't have a trained dog.. (well he kinda has 8, but they aren't trained like Akamaru)

    4th's Jutsu teleport himself to the place where he left the seal.
    Also a very strict condition is that Sharingan MUST see the user using the jutsu, as the 4th jutsu can not be followed by it, means no sharingan can copy!!!!

    Lets also remember its a common knowledge Kakashi copied 1000 jutsus!!
    How many jutsus are listed on Databook excluding Kekkei genkai?
    That pretty much nail that everything can be copied.


    Sasuke had to learn how to manipulate lightening chakra (it took him three days, longer than for Naruto so he obviously didn't just copy it)
    No he copied, his body just couldn't keep up.
    Aka He copied Lee's jutsu, but barelly pulled it of why? he didn't have the physical training that Lee has.

    I saw my friend slashing a straw post with a katana, in a certain angle and going thru it all the way, can I do the same? I know exactly the angle, and how he started the sword.. but I do not have the required strenght and agility to finish, so my wouldn't go all the way.

    He can be a genius and all, but GENIUS take several months to reach elemental chakra manipulation, some coping with sharingan HAS to have happen for sasuke archive that in 3 days.


    I responded dude, on the other page. Mangekyo Sharingan does use the different eye's, it also happens that Kakashi uses his left eye also for Tsukiyomi, probably meaning that hoping he will be able to do Amaterusa* (spelling) is wishful thinking.
    I don't belive that eye has anything to do with jutsus, also Kakashi does not use Tsukiyomi, he use something completly different. Tsukiyomi is a Genjutsu and kakashi Could be a Ninjutsu or even a Fūin jutsu (sealing it away on a parallel universe?

    Could be that you guys are right about the theory of the eyes? MAYBE but its TOO EARLY to tell, 1 use of each jutsu, is not enough to tell anything, could be sheer coincidence.
    And when Itachi used Tsukiyomi on Kakashi he used BOTH EYES!!!!! So explain that..

    We have 2 uses of Tsukiyomi:
    1 with both eyes open, 1 with one eye SHADOWED 1 eye visible.
    One use of Amaterasu that we did not see the eye, until the databook appeared:
    Only right eye showing because of the drawing him in his profile!!!

    Its very normal on animes having shadowed eyes, or even hair covered eyes that aren't draw, but just because of that doesn't mean that he does not have an eye or even if its closed.

    Also if you think like Rasengan like.. why naruto could do a ransengan with 2 hands and not with 1? it was easier..
    why the hell he would want to use one eye (and probally strain the hell of his left eye) if he has two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adonai
    As for S-level jutsu have you ever seen one that you think the enemy can immediately use without other prerequisites?
    You mean other than the 80 septillion clone dogpile moves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius
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    So they are not S... nor because they are S they have to be something extreeme.
    Are you serious?
    They are denoted with a ( - ), not a ( A ), if you want I'll post some pages from the databook that has these.
    And I never said that they were S in my post, they have a unique rank (just ignore what was circled and read it like it is).


    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius
    IF kakashi had bugs living on his body he could copy Shinos abilities, but he does not, so he may know HOW to use the bugs in his body, but since he has none he can not perform the jutsu. (he has the knowledge not the tools)

    Like Kiba's beast mimic jutsu, he doesn't have a trained dog.. (well he kinda has 8, but they aren't trained like Akamaru)
    This is what I meant, how can they ever acquire the right tools? So far we've never seen this happen, though you would expect clan secrets to be easier to get than kekkei genkai, we've seen Kakashi and Yamato who had to go through physical modifications to obtain bloodline limits (or something very similar), while no one has used a stolen secret jutsu yet, these tools are extremely obscure and hard to come by, they're not they kind of vanilla jutsu that can be copied, like Earth jutsu X, or Fire jutsu Y.



    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius
    Lets also remember its a common knowledge Kakashi copied 1000 jutsus!!
    How many jutsus are listed on Databook excluding Kekkei genkai?
    That pretty much nail that everything can be copied.
    And yet he never uses fire or wind type jutsus, always Earth (especially in conjunction with his dogs), and commonly water (he uses this the most), and lightening for raikiri.
    During the training Kakashi basically said multiple times that someone is born with a disposition to one or more element, I'm assuming that it is possible to do all five but obviously it will be impossibly for most people regardless of what they do.
    The sharingan can't copy a jutsu outside of the elements that the user can have. I'm not contesting that Sasuke used the sharingan to do his element manipulation training, I'm saying that he couldn't copy chidori because he couldn't use lightening element chakra at the time (and he won't ever copy moves that uses chakra types that he can't use).\


    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius
    I don't belive that eye has anything to do with jutsus, also Kakashi does not use Tsukiyomi, he use something completly different. Tsukiyomi is a Genjutsu and kakashi Could be a Ninjutsu or even a Fūin jutsu (sealing it away on a parallel universe?

    Could be that you guys are right about the theory of the eyes? MAYBE but its TOO EARLY to tell, 1 use of each jutsu, is not enough to tell anything, could be sheer coincidence.
    And when Itachi used Tsukiyomi on Kakashi he used BOTH EYES!!!!! So explain that..

    We have 2 uses of Tsukiyomi:
    1 with both eyes open, 1 with one eye SHADOWED 1 eye visible.
    One use of Amaterasu that we did not see the eye, until the databook appeared:
    Only right eye showing because of the drawing him in his profile!!!

    Its very normal on animes having shadowed eyes, or even hair covered eyes that aren't draw, but just because of that doesn't mean that he does not have an eye or even if its closed.

    I agree that it isn't confirmed but there is multiple sources of evidence aside from the manga or the databook.

    Though the shape of Itachiís MS is never shown in the manga it is shown in the anime when he uses Tsukuyomi, and if you look at the databook page I posted (about Amaterasu) there are definite differences.

    In the video games the jutsus are tied to a specific eye.

    In Japanese mythology Amaterasu was born form the left eye of Izanagi while Tsukuyomi was born from the right eye.

    And I'm saying that both eyes aren't in MS mode, just that the jutsu is performed through one of them.

 

 
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