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    Kurofune is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    at the end of the day the author does have a life and he can't spend all his time thinking up of these improvements and then putting them into his manga.
    The point is that these are all rather obvious uses, and do remember that it's the mangaka's job to think about his or her manga.

    As Cold-NiTe said, the author seems to be refusing to take advantage of his own mechanics and settings in favor of flashier and more powerful jutsu.

    How hard do you think it would be to project every single detail in your sorroundings into the enemy's mind... and also alter it into their point of view
    So... where did you get the idea that that would be necessary? There are already numerous examples of genjutsu being used to selectively alter the perceived environment.

    Additionally, since all genjutsu we've seen are used against other persons, changing the perspective is very much a standard thing and is of no particular importance.

    Examples of genjutsu that alter only a portion of the opponents' perceived environment:

    Kasumi Jusha - the illusory black liquid clones used by the trio of rain genin during the chuunin exam
    Kori Shinchu - the genjutsu which caused Naruto's team to wander in circles during the chuunin exam
    Magen: Jubaku Satsu - the genjutsu used by Kurenai against Itachi
    Magen: Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu - the genjutsu used to change the apparent meeting room number at the beginning of the chuunin exam
    Narakumi no Jutsu - the genjutsu used by Kakashi during the first bell trial causing Sakura to see a dying Sasuke

    Really the only genjutsu I can think of that alter "every single detail in your surroundings" are Kokuangyo (the first Hokage's darkness illusion), Mateki: Mugen'onsa (the musical genjutsu used by the female of the sound four), and Tsukuyomi.

    its not exactly hard to blind a byakugan user. Just because they can see in all directions doesn't mean a flashbang or smoke grenade won't work
    It has been stated and shown that the byakugan is capable of seeing through things like trees, walls, and mist, meaning paper and smoke would be useless. It is arguable that a flashbomb might still blind a byakugan user, but as the mechanics of their sight don't appear to have anything to do with light*, I very much doubt it.

    *They have no pupils, for Christ's sake

    That's only possible if he sneaks up on an opponent.
    Yes. Which, being ninja, all of the Naruto characters should try to do whenever possible.

    No decent ninja would be stupid enough to expose his back to an opponent.
    It's not about being stupid, it's entirely about skill, intuition, and a little bit of luck. The way you talk it seems as though all ninja have the early SaGa "Warning" ability.

    It is also worth noting that pretty much any angle other than dead-on would be sufficient for this use. At an intermediate distance, even a deviation of ten degrees would be sufficient to cause the enemy to miss.


    This would require two seals and Naruto and others at his level (at least during the first part of the manga) are nowhere near fast enough to pull off two seals as one without the opponent noticing.
    I never said they had to be done simultaneously, and in the hands of Naruto, kage bunshin pretty much screams "distraction" (I don't need to cite examples of this, surely?). Do recall that all of Naruto's kage bunshin can perform techniques, and that the regular bunshin no jutsu uses vanishingly little chakra.

    As for "others at his level", "others at his level" couldn't use kage bunshin anyway. I never suggested anyone else mix bunshin types.

    *sigh*

    Anyway. I suppose I'm an idiot for falling for such an obvious troll, but while I tolerate asininity fairly well, mixed with hubris it rankles to no end.

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    We don't know what regular bunshins are capable of. They may not even and probably aren't capable of doing intelligent things like kagebunshins. When they are made they may just stand there.

    Throwing a smoke bomb would be bad for a byakugan user because they want their opponent to be close. When the smoke bomb is used the opponent will runaway. If he is close at the time of using the smoke bomb it would be far better to simply attack first because of the unstoppable gentle fist style.

    If Shikamaru could catch a ninja with his back turned with his kagemane why not just hit him with a kunai instead. It has been proven very hard to sneak up on other ninjas.

    Kawarimi is used often but simply by reading the manga limits are obviously there. If an opponent is too fast, is at a similar level, or is not distracted it is difficult to perform. Kakashi noticed when Gaara switched with a fake body while Lee didn't because Lee flinched for a moment. Small instances like these are when kawarimi needs to be used if it is to be effective.

    Every battle could go many ways. They are all fought cleverly just different from how it could have been. Most ninja rely on surprise and the unexpected by developing their own unique skills. The basic jutsus are known to everyone so everyone knows ways of countering them but the unique jutsus they use are unfamiliar and not as easy to counter.

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    Throwing a smoke bomb would be a good idea because the only way to defeat the Gentle Fist style is to dodge it completely, but if they are blinded then they don't know which direction they should move to evade.

    For Shikamaru with the Kunai, I think it would be easier to use Kagemane because then you have almost 100% chance of winning just by stabbing the enemy, but then it would waste some chakra.

    Kawarimi could also be used as a fake. Since the enemy believes the object used isn't real you could also transform yourself into the object itself (Block of wood Jiraiya style) when the enemy is faster than you, and if you are quick at the same instant you could create a clone under cover, so your enemy believes that is you.

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    [QUOTE=kayangelus]For update to chidori, I wasn't talking about naruto learning it. I was talking about pre-sharingan Kakashi and other non-sharingan-user-leaf-ninja (it would make Gai for example even more powerful). I'm not saying use kawarimi when counter attacked. Use it at the same time as chidori. And what rule states that you can't use a jutsu for a purpose it wasn't intended for?



    I dont think you can set kiwarimi up before hand, I think you use it right then like right before you get hit.

    Also a kagebushin would work better anyways, although it would consume more chakra it would be less risky and you can make and tell it a plan so you can have something more elaborate(spell check).

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    So basically everything is good for their own situations. I think that Naruto would be good with using the kawarimi since if he used Kage Bunshin to make many clones and all of them use kawarimi/henge, it's almost impossible to tell which one is really Naruto, or if he just transformed into a block of wood.

    It could take someone hours to sift through to find out who is Naruto...

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    Unless you have the sharingan or bakyugan(Im pretty sure the bakyugan could see what is clone and what isnt too), also I dont think clones can use kawarimi I think its pretty much no matter what once they're hit they're gone.

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    Kawarimi is switching of the body with something else so you don't get hit right? So they wouldn't die out just yet. As Naruto get's smarter he could maybe have smarter clones...I wonder why he never uses any traps? Tajuu Kage Bunshin + Traps would be pretty crazy, or multiple shuriken all at the same time.

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    The thing about too many illusions is that eventually people can't tell what's real anymore.

    If you sent a substitute and snuck away, so did your enemy back in the first comic, only now he comes back to face you with even greater powers.

    "You can't win Darth..." blah, blah, blah... Clones and fake deaths just make for one bad soap opera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gensoku
    Kawarimi is switching of the body with something else so you don't get hit right? So they wouldn't die out just yet. As Naruto get's smarter he could maybe have smarter clones...I wonder why he never uses any traps? Tajuu Kage Bunshin + Traps would be pretty crazy, or multiple shuriken all at the same time.
    Yea but as I see it its a waste of chakra, why save clones? Just send them to their deaths.

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    It would be confusing with so many clones that never die and fun I guess.

    I'm guessing that after Naruto creates that new jutsu he's going to use it with Kage Bunshin and spam it like heck.

 

 
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