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    mangaviewer1987 is offline Senior Member Regular
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost305
    But i don't think he made up the Tengu theory. I have red Naruto before, I have never seen the two Tengu images on the Wall. How Uchiha's symbol is a fan and the Tengu king sobojo does carries around a fan made out of feathers. Tengu can enter people minds and communicate through telepathy much like how we've seen Sasuke do with Naruto in the last arc.

    The tengu theory seems really plausible to me, and the tengu images on the walls in the Uchiha's secret meeting place kinda solidifies that theory for me.

    Theses images really put the theory into almost the nature law of naruto's storyline. Just to tell you, he said it himself that he is bad at english believe it or not. And he upgrade his theory once in a while.

    [SPOILER]
    A closer look at the Tengu shrine. Notice the 2 tengu images on the walls.

    this picture, I believe make the whole theory about the tengu and relationship with sasuke's clan work.
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    It's nice you made a thread about this, instead of posting it here and there, and the theory is amazingly well done too.
    Though the one question about the whole Itachi/MS relationship I always ask is: how can you get a close friend with the intention of killing him off for power? I still think Itachi's friend, Shisui, tried to kill Itachi and therefore Itachi killed him out of self-defence or as a reaction. In that way, Itachi got the MS and went frickin' insane. Totaly drunk on power and what-not.

    I would go a step further by saying that Shisui actualy wanted the MS and told Itachi all the dark little secrets of the Uchia clan as he tried to kill him, thus leading to Itachi's hatred of his clan.

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    Like I said, this theory is one of the best I read before. He has a lot of evidence from the manga that pushes it past coincidence. I was thinking maybe Itachi and Shisui were supposed to work together to kill off the clan, but shisui had a change of heart and Itachi and him fought. If the part about having to need Kyuubi's chakra and three M. sharigan users to raise the tengu king is indeed true, I don't think Itachi would want to kill shisui especially since he sounded like a superior Uchiha that had the capability of getting the Mangekyou sharigan.

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    Orochimaru must be really jacked up if he thinks he's gonna that blood for himself. But when will Kishimoto actually shed light to this secret uchiha base or will he forever leave it to the readers to make their brains turn out while trying to figure it out,

    Also one thing I'd like to point out about Yasha's theory, Even if Konoha was indeed built 100 years ago, that doesn't mean he uchiha clan or the hyuuga clan weren't there before. SO having it born from the Hyuuga clan and to become that much populated is not impossible. Cerainly konoha didnt just start up with shodaime, nidaime and whoever in that statue, there must must have been other clans but it's just that they were the main figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kanuki10
    It's nice you made a thread about this, instead of posting it here and there, and the theory is amazingly well done too.
    Though the one question about the whole Itachi/MS relationship I always ask is: how can you get a close friend with the intention of killing him off for power? I still think Itachi's friend, Shisui, tried to kill Itachi and therefore Itachi killed him out of self-defence or as a reaction. In that way, Itachi got the MS and went frickin' insane. Totaly drunk on power and what-not.

    I would go a step further by saying that Shisui actualy wanted the MS and told Itachi all the dark little secrets of the Uchia clan as he tried to kill him, thus leading to Itachi's hatred of his clan.

    Itachi lost his faith in the clan, the likelyhood of Shisui wanting to kill itachi is very slim. Remember before itachi kill Shisui, he warn the others about itachi to keep an eye on him.The reason is how itachi was acting strange and talking in weird speeches. This suggested Shisui is no way trigger Itachi's killings because he was already acting strange and out of character before he even kill Shisui.. And how the others praise Shisui for his commitment to the Clan lent me to believe he is not the type to do so.

    Itachi lost his faith in his clan, seeing how his clan have no future, his clan was weakening and ashame of fact that the Uchiha was hiding from the past. He was ashame of the fact that the Uchiha didn't use the tengu power, so he decided to kill them believing that the clan is limiting his container. Leaving Sasuke to be the future 3rd MS users for him to break freee tengu to obtain the utimate power.
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    You also have to account his theroy about the alliance of Uchiha Madara and the Kyubi. Sasuke's and Itachi's father explained the meaning of the Uchiha's symbol.
    I think he said that it represents one who controls fire. Which could refer to , the Kyuubi or MS Ameratsu. Which both could have been controled by Uchiha Madara.

    My thoughts about the Vally of the end are this.

    Shodaime and Madara were rival's for the leadership of early Konoha.
    But in truth they were best friends. During the rivalry something made them bitter to each other. My guess would be that Uchiha wanted the powers of the Kyuubi for him self, but Shodaime had a duty to seal and guard the Kyuubi for ever being released. Uchiha Madara was lustiing for the power of the Kyuubi to the point where he seemed crazed and emotionless. Shodaime had to stop him at any costs because he knew Uchiha Madara could not control the Kyuubi and that if the Kyuubi awakened no one can stop it execpt him. They fought over the cursed land where the Bijuu's were sealed. Causing the ground to split and releasing all of the Bijuu's. Shodaime now had to attapt to reseal the Bijuu's back into there cages.
    As the Bijuu's caused utter chaos Uchiha Madara went into the holding area to find the only Bijuu he wanted, The Kyuubi. Shodaime noticed Madara's disappearence and rushed to the sealing ground. There he witnessed Madara releasing the Kyuubi and after a large battle Shodaime had to seal the Kyuubi and Madara away forever. This of couse did not happen as we know.

    Their relationship is shadowed by the relationship between Naruto and Sasuke. If I remember correctly after the battle between Sasuke and Naruto, Kakashi stated how Ironic it is that they fought here.
    The place where an Uchiha and a Hokage fought.

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    [QOUTE]Here I will derail a bit and letís talk about the friendship between Shodaime and Madara. When Shodai found out about the secret pact between Madara and Kyuubi he was very angry. He thought it was the hunger for power that brought his best friend to Kyuubi. Madara didnít explain to him either because he didnít want anybody to know that he was a half-demon. Conflicts began to appear between the two who were once close to each other. The intense hostility finally led to a great battle at the Valley of the End. You might doubt that Shodai could rival both MS and Kyuubiís power at the same time. Well you better not forget that Shodai had the ability to suppress Kyuubiís chakra but thatís beside the point. I will continue the story, but not before posting a couple of pics that will show the ingenuity of Kishimoto-sensei.[/QOUTE] from yasha theory

    explaing why they fought, the alliance with the Kyubi is to help him defeat his father tengu who wanted madara's body. the demon gave him fire jutsus as well as MS DARK FIRE to combat his tengu to seal him away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamefreak678
    You also have to account his theroy about the alliance of Uchiha Madara and the Kyubi. Sasuke's and Itachi's father explained the meaning of the Uchiha's symbol.
    I think he said that it represents one who controls fire. Which could refer to , the Kyuubi or MS Ameratsu. Which both could have been controled by Uchiha Madara.

    My thoughts about the Vally of the end are this.

    Shodaime and Madara were rival's for the leadership of early Konoha.
    But in truth they were best friends. During the rivalry something made them bitter to each other. My guess would be that Uchiha wanted the powers of the Kyuubi for him self, but Shodaime had a duty to seal and guard the Kyuubi for ever being released. Uchiha Madara was lustiing for the power of the Kyuubi to the point where he seemed crazed and emotionless. Shodaime had to stop him at any costs because he knew Uchiha Madara could not control the Kyuubi and that if the Kyuubi awakened no one can stop it execpt him. They fought over the cursed land where the Bijuu's were sealed. Causing the ground to split and releasing all of the Bijuu's. Shodaime now had to attapt to reseal the Bijuu's back into there cages.
    As the Bijuu's caused utter chaos Uchiha Madara went into the holding area to find the only Bijuu he wanted, The Kyuubi. Shodaime noticed Madara's disappearence and rushed to the sealing ground. There he witnessed Madara releasing the Kyuubi and after a large battle Shodaime had to seal the Kyuubi and Madara away forever. This of couse did not happen as we know.

    Their relationship is shadowed by the relationship between Naruto and Sasuke. If I remember correctly after the battle between Sasuke and Naruto, Kakashi stated how Ironic it is that they fought here.
    The place where an Uchiha and a Hokage fought.
    This theory is flawed because for
    1, the Bijuus couldn't be all in one place, each bijuu reside in a different country, like the sand's Shukkaku has been in the wind country for a long time, there have been two jinchuurikis before Gaara.
    2. I think Madara could have suppressed the Kyuubi, we've seen Sasuke do that and also The uchiha's symbol represents one who control fire and the Kyuubi is of the Fire element.
    Although the best friend theory might be true though since Kakashi compared naruto and sasuke's to the two statues(assuming the two statues are shodaime and Madara). But i think the person who awoke the Kyuubi was Orochimaru.

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    CAn you expalin how ORO awoken the Kyuubi that relates to the theory please Ghost305.

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    Well in the Legend of the Bijuu's Oro (the 8 tailed bijuu) awoke the Kyuubi from it's sleep and caused the Kyuubi to go on a rampage. This is off topic so back to Uchiha Madara. ^_^;

    Well I added the Bijuu grounds just for originality (It probably isnt' :P)
    But I figured since the Shodaime had the power to control the Bijuu's it is possible that he had all bijuu's under his control at a time. I was trying to explain why would Shodaime and Uchiha Madara fight there of all places.

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