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  1. #101
    Rainbow Randolf is offline Senior Member Regular
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talamare
    He was stating that
    Elemental 'physical' Bunshins and
    Normal 'illusion' Bunshins are different
    Show me where he states that the "physical" bunshins are ALL of the same quality as Kage Bunshin and you have an argument. Never in the history of Naruto has any clone other than Shadow Clone been specifically used to transfer knowledge other than the wood clone. So technically we don't know. You seem so freakin' sure of yourself that ALL the elemental bunshin do the same thing...which is odd. I'm not discounting the notion that it could very well be true, but all I am saying is it isn't very likely. Also, I don't remember this completely but has an elemental bunshin ever used a technique before? I don't really remember all that well off the top of my head. If they haven't then its also a matter of the elemental clones not being able to hold chakra and use it to execute techniques. Also, I always assumed that Orochimaru's "Sludge Clones" weren't clones and it was just a "Sludge Replacement" technique.

    Mind you Kakashi also said that this training could ONLY be done by Naruto, although he may have been speaking in generalizations it still has to be taken into consideration.

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    Rainbow Randolf is offline Senior Member Regular
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Obscuri
    Well, it can be done by anyone who knows how to perform the Kage Bushin, the fact is that won't be able to train as fast as Naruto, since he's the only one that can make a Tajuu Kage Bushin, and keep going.
    Its also a factor of stamina though. Normal ninja and even excellent ninja are probably (I'm guessing as a ball-park figure) able to hold their load on a clone for about 2 hours. Now 2 hours of training is intense, but remember how long Naruto is able to hold his clones for? A long freaking time, that's how long. Also, he does it so often that one must question if there would ever be an end to them. That is why he's basically the only one who can really do it and do it well. I mean, the 3rd Hokage probably did it A LOT, but most likely only for a day or two at a time. The Tajuu Kage Bunshin isn't THAT much of a factor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedFaith
    Well who outside of konoha have we see a kage bushin?

    Why would kisame know the kage bushin? If he already has the water clone whats the point of him learning the kage bushin?
    Hmm that is true I guess. Maybe one of the reasons ninja outside Konoha don't use Kage Bunshin because they don't know about the jutsu's ability to transfer memories.

    It's a really useful technique I think, for like missions and info gathering.

    Example: There are two hallways and two ninja split up, each heading opposite ways. Each Ninja uses Kage Bunshin and make it follow the opposite ninja, so if one of the ninja got into trouble or got into a fight, when the Bunshin is destroyed they would instantly know.

    Or maybe you could send in a Bunshin to attack your enemy while you just wait in a far away location. Once the bunshin is destroyed you get a better idea of their fighting style and the techniques that they use.

    I think that Kakashi said that the training could only be done by Naruto because the clones divide your chakra between themselves equally right? So if you have 4 clones, each of them have 1/5 of your chakra including yourself.

    Then you would be five times faster at training than normal but only last 1/5 of the time you normally would. So it's a bit faster but in the end it's the same effect.

    But, if you are like Naruto with incredible amount of chakra, you could sustain the rate of like 1000 times (Tajuu Bunshin does make a difference I think, less chakra divided between the clones but the rate is much higher) faster training for as long as you usually would train by yourself, maybe like a day or two? At the end I bet his capacity would go up as well as he trains, so he would be like 1100 clones...1200...so on.
    Last edited by Gensoku; 07-18-2006 at 11:22 AM.

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    TwistedFaith is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    Well also remember that the kage bushin was on the forbidden scroll, so i dont think its something all ninja villages know about.

    Because say it is just a konoha jutsu, how would ppl fromother villages steal the jutsu, so far only sharingan lets you copy ppls jutsu, and if it was easy to copy jutsus the sharingan would have never been popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost305
    But doesn't what Kishimoto told us about the Kagebunshin, makes naruto look even dummer as a Ninja? I mean think about it, Naruto has create more Kage Bunshins than anybody else so far and he still didn't advance nor gain Knowledge.
    I'd say the best reason for this is because Naruto only uses his clones in combat. That means all his clones are doing the same thing at same time, thus all aquiring the same knowledge. It's like memorizing the same book one hundred times; if you already know everything in it the first time through, you won't learn anything from doing it over and over. Likely when Kakashi does the training with Naruto, all the clones may have different tasks to do in order to add onto Naruto's base knowledge when it is all finished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedFaith
    Well also remember that the kage bushin was on the forbidden scroll, so i dont think its something all ninja villages know about.

    Because say it is just a konoha jutsu, how would ppl fromother villages steal the jutsu, so far only sharingan lets you copy ppls jutsu, and if it was easy to copy jutsus the sharingan would have never been popular.
    in kakashi gaiden that ninja from rock village used kage bunshins too.it is not special to konoha.

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    How long can naruto sustain his bushins? O.o
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    I'm pretty sure he can keep them as long as he needs to, I've never seen him get tired from sustaining Bunshin but maybe if they are destroyed and he re-creates them non stop he would.

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    Don't you think that naruto's method of bushin is special? I mean, why is it in the forbidden scroll anyways, if it is such a common technique. So far, only 3 konoha ninjas have used it: kakashi, the 3rd saratobi, and naruto.
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    TwistedFaith is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by barlasayaz
    in kakashi gaiden that ninja from rock village used kage bunshins too.it is not special to konoha.
    Do we know it was kage bushin and not just a regular clone?

    Im not going to argue with you if you have the kakashi gaiden.

 

 
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