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    Yeah, Desmond is the only exception to the rule, but even his influence is fairly short-sighted. At best he can delay fated events. He can't prevent them altogether though. For example- Charlie. Desmond saved Charlie an assload of times but ultimately Charlie was killed. At the same time, Desmond's intervention must have also been fated as Charlie's death by drowning has been foreshadowed since season 1.

    So far the only contradiction/mysteries that remain regarding time travel on lost are these 2 events:
    1) Claire and Aaron not leaving on a helicopter as Desmond promised.
    2) The way the 06 are split across time on their return to the island via Ajira 316.

    One of the question's I've put up on Lostpedia (good wikis, retarded forum) to be presented to Carlton Cuse/Damon Lindelof for an upcoming interview they'll give is regarding the nature of Desmond's uniqueness and whether it was due to his destiny or his time spent in the hatch (that resulted in high exposure to EM energy, etc).

    There is a convincing theory I read recently that contended that Desmond had gotten his special time manipulation abilities from staying in the hatch and that Daniel's future in Dharma revolves around him going to the Swan and trying to replicate Desmond's experience so he can change time and save Charlotte. But his desperation will make him screw up and initiate 'the incident'.
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    That does explain why Ben is so manipulative and evil. All because he lost his so called "innocence". Cheesy way to answer Hurley's question of Ben not remembering Sayid shooting him when he was younger.
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    I think Ben was already rather manipulative and 'evil' before his temple excursion, considering he had no trouble crashing a burning truck into one of his neighbor's houses to use as a diversion while saving Sayid.

    Richard seems to be the x factor in this episode. It seems like Charles and Ellie had gotten themselves into positions of power at least rivaling Richard's and that Richard didn't like it too much. At the same time Charles and Ellie must still have a disconnect with Jacob because Richard ignores their potential intervention in saving Ben and seems to have had this plan for Ben since their last encounter.

    The temple is the 2nd variable in the ep. Seems like the plot is moving towards the temple now. I also found it lame that Darlton added the amnesia clause. I'm curious to what Ben actually experienced. I thought it was hinted that Ben might have been revived too because of the immediate cutscene to Locke's "Welcome to the land of the living" stinger (which made me lol).

    Btw, some season finale spoiler teasers:
    Young ***** meets *****.
    Consider the different ways this jump into 1977 could end for the people who were taken back.
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    Hell yeah, more support for my Apollo v Anubis theory from the temple heiroglyphics.

    This ep also clarified the source of the whispers-the smoke monster. That makes perfect sense considering how Harper's apparition came to Juliet and left when Juliet was distracted by the whispers.
    This was also the most explicit manifestation the monster has shown where it has taken the form of the most shameful person with regards to the beholder to deliver it's own message. Ben got Alex (to scare him into following Locke); Eko got Yemi (to get him to confess); Juliet got Harper (to goad her to return to the Others).

    Caeser's death was awesome. When he started his rant on Locke I thought we might be dealing with a 2nd Jack but Ben saved the day with his shot. Ilana (not too surprisingly) seems to be working for Widmore along with a small faction of the Ajira crew. She comes off as an extremely annoying character, so I hope she dies soon too.
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    ^
    I'm a little disappointed Caesar is dead. He had more screen time than the other crew members, so I thought maybe he might have been more important than he's leading on.
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    ^That's what I thought too, but I guess he must have been the misdirection for Ilana. I don't really like any of the Ajira crew though, so I'll still be happy even if they get killed redshirt style.

    Oh, and a few more questions the ep brought up was who is Penny's mother? Where is Ellie? And what was/is at the base of the four-toed statue?

    I guess this ep guarantees than Ben and Penny aren't among the 2 characters to die by the end of the season.
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    ^
    Do you think Ben finished the job of killing Penny? Great reason to bring Desmond back to the island. Revenge has always been a good motivation factor in character development.
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    Popo: well, obviously going by that logic, HS will have to kill himself...

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    ^He failed. You might not have noticed that Ben's encounter with Penny and his beating happened pretty much right before Ajira 316 was boarding. That's why he got Jack to take Locke's body at the last minute.

    I wouldn't worry about Desmond's off-island presence. I mean, the guy's living in a frickin boat. If the producers wanted to bring him back quickly they can just have a repeat storm maroon Dezzy and his family on the island that they so loathe.

    Another thing that I just noticed (after listening to some other people talk about it) was Lcoke's weird behavior in the ep. Both times we expected to see smokey, Locke has been absent. When Ben summoned smokey from his home, Locke ended up coming out of the jungle instead. And then when Ben went into the temple and fell into the lower level, Locke disappeared during the entirety of Ben's encounter.
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    ^
    That's what I thought too. I just thought maybe the writers might do something cheesy like make Ben's flashbacks in this episode incomplete. For example, revealing Ben killing Penny later on. I highly doubt that though.

    How the hell did Locke know where to find the temple? Locke sure is becoming stranger.
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    ^I read a decent theory yesterday that Locke's body (as well as Christian's) had been possessed by smokey. I'm not totally convinced (it could be the island itself rather than smokey) but Locke's resurrection certainly mirrors Christian's. The most prominent support for this theory is the fact that Locke was leading Ben to the cerberus vent next to the temple rather than the actual temple. Locke clearly wasn't aware of the temple because he didn't know how to get around the wall as Ben did. So, he does have additional knowledge of smokey.
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