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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    I agree with this. But as for making him too villainous, thats one of the drawbacks of a movie, his moral ambiguity wouldnt have translated too well to the film and since Watchmen has no clear cut villain or hero, mainstream audiences would have been left with a "wtf" if it was translated perfectly. I think they did the best with what they had. TBH the lack of the purple monster bothered me more.
    Yeah, but isn't the ambiguity in Veidt's character one of the main points of the comic? After all, Watchmen is a deconstruction of the superhero genre, and Ozymandias' character was meant to show that a hero must sometimes employ villanous means, or perhaps that a villain can sometimes be heroic. Changing that to the outright socipathy shown by movie Ozymandias ruins the point completely.

    So basically I'd be inclined to say "screw the mainstream audience", but perhaps that's just my inner fanboy speaking.


    And the lack of gigasquid was also a bit disappointing, even though it had been clear for a long time that it wouldn't be included. IIRC, gigasquid was meant to be another swipe at the ridiculous plots of comicbook villains, thus adding to the deconstructive theme of the comic. But you can't have everything I guess.

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    Yeah I guess, but Veidt wasn't shown to be a total ass, everyone I saw the movie with loved his character even though they never read the books, kept saying how smart he was and how what he did was a realistic solution. No one really saw him as "evil".


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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    Yeah I guess, but Veidt wasn't shown to be a total ass, everyone I saw the movie with loved his character even though they never read the books, kept saying how smart he was and how what he did was a realistic solution. No one really saw him as "evil".
    I was left with the opposite impression, especially as Veidt had this line about punishing the world for flirting with disaster. That really pushed him over the edge in my book.

    But to each his own I guess.

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    Meh, I went with some people of college level intelligence... I guess the average boob might not see it that way...


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    I enjoyed the movie too. It was refreshing to see an intelligent villain who doesn't fall into the cliche traps that lead to his downfall. And then placing the heroes, especially the Comedian, in historic context made the movie a good mix of politics as well as human nature. This wasn't the typical black-and-white good vs evil stuff that most other superhero movies degrade into, despite their best efforts to paint their heroes and villains as multidimensional.

    I thought Rorshach was a pretty awesome superhero and that his death was pretty useless, and found all the romantic 'development' a bit trite. My friends and I especially laughed when when Lorey's mom said she didn't hate the Comedian because of Lorey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama View Post
    I thought Rorshach was a pretty awesome superhero and that his death was pretty useless, and found all the romantic 'development' a bit trite.
    Really? The whole point of his death was that he refuses to compromise even if the alternative is better and that he has to force Manhattan to kill him so his ideals won't be shaken.


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    ^Yeah, but Daniel's subsequent failed temper tantrum and Rorshach's rorschach corpse-print sort of made a joke out of it (for me at least).
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    B+ is what I would give it.

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    You know, sometimes there are signs telling you what to expect in the future. Aparently Oblivion came with one of its own that I missed due to destroyed graphics card - Until now!

    Seriously though. Check this out.

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    Thats... mildly amusing...


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