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    In the end, won't Sylar succumb to his old "how does this work?" frenzy again?

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    yea prob then go on his killing spree again

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    It was a good season finale, overall. Great, actually. Especially when compared to the "Villains" finale and "Generations" finale.

    Why it rocked
    Action. It was really kinda nice to see the Petrelli brothers facing off against Sylar. Brother watching each others' backs. Although I wish we could've seen more of the fight other than blue flashes of light and crashes and bangs. Overall, the action was well-paced. Sylar framing Danko. Hiro taking out Danko (wonder if he'll be back next season). Ando should have gotten a chance to go blasting agents with his lightning though.

    Plot and writing. The writing's improved, definitely. Dialogue's better; remember Sylar saying "Mommy?" a few episodes ago? That creeped me out (but it was also hilarious). Sylar going for President, Peter stopping him by taking his power and outsmarting him at his own game, Matt reprogramming Sylar's mind - these were good plot points. It kept things interesting, at least. Sylar's situation in particular is interesting. It's a good way of killing off the character (at least for now), resurrecting Nathan (though technically he's also dead) and putting a twist that can carry on into the next storyline. Re-introducing Tracy, this time as a seemingly hard-to-kill water demon is also great. We'll get a different kind of villain from Sylar, one who doesn't need to lop off heads and get too powerful too fast.

    It also opened things up for Volume 5. Season 4 looks to be the start of the new Company...this time with the President in on it, it seems. At the same time they'll be battling Tracy (I'm pretty sure it's her; they said somewhere that they were bringing her back) and hoping Sylar won't rebound. But I think he will, sooner or later.

    Why it could still improve
    Hiro and Ando. As much as what they did was important, it could also been delayed without much effect. The President later apparently shut down the operation, so they just quickened the process. And so once again Hiro and Ando were a little far from the action (while nearly everyone else was battling in DC). I feel that although it's good to limit Hiro a bit, he really could've come in handy in so many situations. I feel that the writers are pushing him down to make sure the heroes don't have too much of an easy time taking out the villains like Sylar. I guess it would have been less dramatic if Hiro were there, but still. They're making him unimportant. And Ando should have gotten to fight a bit.

    Of course, they're also the inconsistencies, such as Claire's blood being able to heal people, but I think the writer's realized halfway through Season 2 that that would just make all hero deaths irrelevant. People have got to die. So I think they're just gonna trash that one thing and never raise it again. Anyway, if they brought Nathan back that way...lame. No purpose in that at all.

    So I thought it was good. Great.

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    I sense....PLOT HOLES!

    Morons! What about using claire's blood?! geeesssss.

    Or they should have let Nathan died. There's a million ways you could've explained Nathan's death. (how about suicide?)

    Or, like somebody else mentioned, have Peter pretend to be Nathan momentarily and just say you want to take a leave of absense and have Nathan disappear from the face of the universe. Bah.

    ... but NOooooo.. let's do the most logical way by making the guy who killed Nathan pretend to be Nathan. Mama Petrelli and Papa HRG... you're both idiots. You basically made Nathan's death IN VAIN. gar. Angry Peter and Parent-issues-claire are going to blow a FUSE!

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    Claire's Blood
    They could use that, of course, but the thing is, where would the shock and suspense of a death be if they used Claire's blood to resurrect all the heroes? Then no one'd ever die, and that would make for a real bad show.

    Of course, the writers should never have introduced the healing blood concept in the first place. I think they've realized their goof and are now writing it out of the series, which means we'll probably never hear about it again. From a writer's point of view, that'd be the best option they have (though it would have been easier for them if they hadn't done that in the first place). I'd rather just let this one slide and forget about it, since they have a good reason to let it go.

    Nathan
    First off, I do agree that there were probably many other ways to prevent chaos in their world other than turning Sylar into Nathan. It's quite obvious that the writer's put that in with a view to give the viewers a twist in the story and to set the stage next season. Whatever it is, the Nathan-Sylar thing was definitely an interesting twist and something to watch next season.

    That said, it's true they could've done many other things...Matt could have cleared things up for everyone. Get into the right heads and tell them nothing happened. He could make it seem like nothing ever happened there.

    Anyway, one reason I particularly think Angela was so insistent on Matt doing it was because she wanted Nathan back. Remember how messed up she was when she saw him dead? I guess it's just her human side coming out, wanting her son back. Plus, she saw it happen in her dream, and in her thinking, that dream had to come true one way or another. I guess she just felt that they had to go this way, since it would fit what she saw. Of course, that's not an excuse for the writers, but at the very least there's an explanation. It doesn't shatter the logic.

    Anyway, Nathan's death wasn't in vain. If by that you mean that the writer's conned us by killing him and then sorta bringing him back, I don't think he's really back. To me it's just a case of the character dying and the actor remaining. We're not seeing Nathan now; we're seeing Sylar thinking he's Nathan. It's a bit different. Having the actor on the show doesn't take the depth out of them being killed. Like when dead characters appear in visions and stuff. Sure, this isn't a vision of Nathan, but I still consider him dead. It's only a matter of time before Sylar breaks free and Nathan gets buried once and for all.

    Peter and Claire
    Oh, sure, they're gonna blow a fuse. Definitely. Claire will once again whine to HRG about lying to her and Peter's gonna lecture Angela about doing something so stupid. No doubt he'll also say that she did it to have her son back. But that probably won't happen for a while yet, so I'm hoping that when it does, the situation will be different. Hopefully, Claire will either not be in a position to complain, or will not want to.

    I think I'm still more than willing to continue watching Heroes. They have, with the last few episodes, really improved the writing and they've also cobbled together a reasonably good plot, without fantastical formulas or bad guys who suck lots and lots of powers in just one episode. Plus, there's no single person with an ultimate power (except maybe Tracy; can she die?). I think they've set the stage for what could be an interesting 4th Season, and I think the tone sounds familiar to Fugitives. So I'm not stopping just yet.

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    I stopped watching Heroes a few episodes before the end, so I had to catch up online. And... wow.

    I loved the 1961 episode for the most part, although I found the ending a bit lame - all this build-up to something horrible happening, and it just turns out to be a riot? I was kind of hoping for something big, like the riot leading to the execution of those with powers or something instead (an organized one). Still, it was the start of a series of good episodes that made up for the boring ones in the middle. I felt as if the writers improved at the start of volume 4, with an interesting concept and the willingness to nuke some characters and powers, and while the middle sucked they did do that, for the most part. (Loved Daphne's death, for one.)

    I really wish Claire's blood had been used on Nathan... because, for one, he's one of my favourite characters, and I'd really rather not see him turn back into Sylar again. Have Nathan with an internal conflict, by all means, but I hope he still stays Nathan. It is an overused power, but it's still a major plot hole to not even have anyone remember (wasn't it even used on Nathan before, when he got shot by future-Peter? Or what happened there, again?). They could always have tried it and found that it didn't work again. Otherwise, interesting plot twist and the ending scene was really great.

    (Interesting thought - so does this make Sylar a Petrelli brother as he thought back in volume 3? Hmm... :3)

    Agree about Hiro and Ando. Those guys always felt a bit removed from the action for the entire plot, and this was no exception. Wish they'd had a better role... maybe in the next season?

    Also happy to see Tracy back, actually. Yes, she seems a bit too powerful now (though if the writers downgraded Peter and Hiro, and changed Sylar, I don't think they'd make her insanely powerful. We probably won't see any big powers beyond the initial introduction), but I'm just happy to see that she didn't die there. Maybe we'll even get some more interaction with Nathan (yes please!)

    Oh! The last few episodes had one of my favourite scenes ever - Sylar talking with his mother. I was confused at how she could be back like that, and speaking as if she were there instead of as a memory... and while I had a few suspicions of what was going on, it still really surprised me when it was revealed. Well-directed scene, I thought. The entire build-up of his identity crisis was pretty interesting, too, in that it actually started at the beginning of the series and had an effect on the end of the volume. That scene sort of felt like the ultimate climax of it, though.
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    It is possible for Sylar to not appear in the new season at all. We could just see a killing machine Nathan instead. I've always thought Nathan would make a better villain than hero.
    etufo: HS is most likely going to die sooner or later. Who will kill the cool character killer?

    Popo: well, obviously going by that logic, HS will have to kill himself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by etufo View Post
    It is possible for Sylar to not appear in the new season at all. We could just see a killing machine Nathan instead. I've always thought Nathan would make a better villain than hero.
    He had the potential in volume 4. I cannot express my frustration when he was kicked out halfway through and ran off to Mexico to not be an antagonist anymore. Argh.

    Here's hoping. As much as I like Sylar, I agree that Nathan's a better villain than hero - and he hasn't yet had the chance to really become the villain yet, either.
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    ^Oh, I agree that the Nathan-Sylar thing will be interesting to watch. Im guessing that it won't be as clear-cut as Nathan seeing visions of Sylar talking to him. But who knows, it may resemble the Niki-Jessica thing, and Nathan might see Sylar in the mirror.

    But my guess is that something like this happens:
    1) Nathan gradually discovers some other sides of him. He's already shown that he's got some intuitive aptitude, which might lead to the hunger, which might lead to him killing someone, similar to how Sylar started out. Nathan would kill someone and find that he can take people's powers, and then visions of Sylar follow.

    2) Nathan starts to realize there are gaps in his memory (though Im actually pretty sure Sylar got nearly everything covered. He realizes that he could do things he couldn't've before, like with the clock. Nathan starts to realize that he could possibly not be who he thinks he is, and tries to...save himself? Or something like that. And maybe unlocking more powers along the way. Who knows...he could be the next Peter, but with Sylar limiting him sometimes. He might even figure out that he's Sylar. It'd be interesting to see what he'd do then (try to stay the way he is?)

    3) Someone else figures out who he is, and somehow triggers a reversal of the brainwashing. Maybe Nathan will see something Sylar-related, though I've no idea what that could be.

    4) For whatever reason, Angela or Noah (or Matt) decides they need Sylar back for whatever reason. Perhaps to combat Tracy? Or for some other threat, perhaps. We know that the main villain isn't always revealed at the beginning, though this time I hope the Tracy doesn't convert too soon.

    More than likely it'll be a combination of the above scenarios.

    Oh, I was imagining Sylar trying to steal Tracy's powers...he'd try to slash her watery head open and say 'dammit!' because it's just cause a splash.

    And I don't think Tracy's as all-powerful as she might seem. Sure, having a watery form means nearly no physical damage, as well as an efficient escape plan, but for one thing, we don't know if she still has ice powers. We didn't see her use any. Because ice manipulation isn't water manipulation, her original power was controlling cold, ie. the absence of heat. That doesn't necessarily translate into water control and mimicry. We'll have to see. Plus, remember in the graphic novels there was one guy who also had water mimicry? He could turn to water and everything, but the Company could still bag and tag him. That was when Noah worked with Ivan and some other dude in Russia, I think. The same place they found the 8 Isaac paintings. So Tracy isn't invincible.

    I like Nathan too, but I think the show really does have to kill off someone major. Every character has fans, so you can never please anyone. I did feel Nathan's death wasn't...shocking enough, or climactic enough. It has to be one or the other.

    This was a great finale. Way better than the previous two. However, watching the season 1 finale again...well, you can see the difference. That one was great in a slightly different way - it had a touching ending (this one doesn't), it had everyone gathering (this one didn't gather everyone except at the end) and it was the climax of what we've been waiting for the whole season - the bomb, whereas Sylar's plan in this one only occurred a few episodes before.

    And honestly, the last few episodes of Fugitives were redeeming enough. Notably since episode 20, Cold Snap. Great episode.

 

 
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