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    ichitanto is offline Member Frequent Poster
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    Default anime getting too...cliched?

    I mean most manga/anime fall into this:

    Romance: girl is best friend loves other friend who doesn't notice or falls in love with unlikely guy or (most common,)

    Many women fight for guy/girl and she/he usually falls for original/first time person or childhood friend/admire ._.;


    Action: go fight SUPER powerful person, group, etc. own them or lose, get stronger, do it again, ???? repeat, flashy, the end (i.e. gundam, DBZ, most shonen MANGA suffer from this XD)

    actually tired of it but I still read manga because life itself is really...bland and in a circle. I laugh because my mom tells me that most fashion today is based off 70s stuff XD hahahhhahhahha

    Also despite what people say, most movies are cliched as well! The common stuff sells but still...I wouldn't mind seeing newer stuff too.

    so want your feedback: cliched and repetitive or HOT and new?

    even my air gear suffers from this..although suggestive themes that OBVIOIUS yaoi and hentai wise in a manga is so...different considering the censors and dumb people now a days...(omg it has pron and I didn't know even though it had despite the 18+, cover, etc. etc. and me looking through the book!)

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    there can never be something completely *new* (unless it comes from some scientific discovery/inventions - quantum physics, etc) since we all need to get our ideas from somewhere.

    sure, there are the same elements for mangas in the same genre, but there are like infinite ways of combining/presenting those elements, and sometimes things just click and it's enjoyable (ie, Heroes is just another normal people get superpower genre, but it's still very enjoyable).

    also, there are shounen manga that don't fall into the strong opponent -> get stronger stereotype, like Death Note and Full Metal Alchemist.

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    Claymore doesn't do the whole shounen stereotype too often, actually I think it only does it once and that's not even training.

    But yeah, most anime is cliche. Finding good stuff is hard now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echoblaze View Post
    also, there are shounen manga that don't fall into the strong opponent -> get stronger stereotype, like Death Note and Full Metal Alchemist.
    Agreed. FMA really pushes the limits on what is considered Shounen. DN was alright i guess, but the downward spiral of the plot after L died kinda killed the fan in me. Then there's Chrno Crusade and my all-time favourite, Houshin Engi. Both having a rather uncommon plot.

    Also, some Shoujos do have a different take on romance. For instance, Kare Kano was a refreshingly dark - oxymoron, i know - take on love between the two main characters. I liked how their individual stories unfolded and molded the entire flow of the plot. Besides titles like Paradise Kiss and Nana can hardly be called stereotypical shoujo (okay, maybe they brach off into josei a lil' but still manga huh ?). In fact, Nana worked so many feelings in me that it somehow got too painful for me to continue. Something i doubt is that common.


    So anyway, i guess it's not that mangas are becoming cliche but rather that finding good stories are becoming harder.

    Ps. You stated AirGear becoming cliche, well, as much as i liked the art, i never found the plot very engaging to being with.

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    there are some patterns when it comes into their categories. Shounen, Shojou etc.

    But thats exactly why some of them try to to go with a different approach or pushes its limits or make innovations in making the story and plot.

    Some great examples are up there already. You can also add Ichigo 100%, I didn't like how it ended but they didn't follow the standard way a harem manga ends. (either nothing happens or he ends up with the first choice)

    Basically they use those formula cause those are that actually works. the whole (strong enemy appears-get stronger-new stronger enemy appears-get stronger again) for shounen this might be cliched but people like it.

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    Technically, Nishino WAS his first choice, but...

    The thing with these cliches is that you kind of need the basic storyline in order to have a good manga. Death Note still followed the basic storyline in that we had minor incidents before the antagonist appeared... and the antagonist dies and we have another one... and a lot of the incidents were actually kind of predictable, until the end. A lot of shounen manga follow the general method of characters getting stronger with power-ups, but it's the characters and plot that make a story unique.

    Archetypes have been in stories for THOUSANDS of years. The hero journey is one that features prominently in every story - whether that be a novel, play, manga, or whatever. Of course we've seen that kind of story before, but it's the familiarity that people love. It's the same symbols that we recognize in every story. Writers do that kind of thing unconsciously, because it's a part of society now.

    So I'm happy with what we have.

    (And in case you're wondering, I did a presentation for one of my classes on archetypal literary theory. It's much more common than you think... and all those character stereotypes are just a part of that. And hey, if experts accept and welcome that kind of thing...)
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    nice feedback; some of those mangas I haven't read before and I'll check them out

    oh and i didn't mention FMA because personal favorite

    but isn't death note sorta.....shonen/shoujo mix? I mean...it reminds me of X (with the exception of girls,) in the way that is "it has not many female roles and hot men that we question their sexuality!" Also it has the drama of....shoujo manga so it's hard to tell (and I love death note)

    Especially......raito/light/moon/thrust O_o;
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    Death Note is simply a shounen series. What matters is where it's published - they do have magazines for that kind of thing. Also, why can't shounen manga be dramatic? It was probably a change for boys who read Weekly Shounen Jump, since they don't get a lot of that.

    Actually, it kind of reminded me of seinen series, in style.

    But no matter what YOU think it's like, it is what it is. (I always thought Saenagi Ryou's series, like Sequence and Nanaki, should totally be shounen, because of the art and plot and all, but they're not. So whatever.)
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    I think the reason why the shounen manga you are referring to is so repetitive is because it doesn't have such a need to be innovative. This is because most people will probably grow out of it so it only needs to entertain and appear fresh to the newest generation of readers.

    Of course this isn't the case with seinen manga since a large proportion of readers will continue reading into their 30s and 40s, as such any more of them will notice when ideas get rehashed and lose their flavour. This pressures mangakas writing for a seinen audience to bring something new to the table moreso than with mangakas writing for a shounen audience. Just compare the series written in a seinen magazine like Afternoon to those written in shounen jump or something and you'll see the difference.
    Of course you will get some generic, lifeless, moé tripe classified as seinen too but well, what can you do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ichitanto View Post
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    actually tired of it but I still read manga because life itself is really...bland and in a circle. I laugh because my mom tells me that most fashion today is based off 70s stuff XD hahahhhahhahha
    The 70s... I wish I lived in the 70s. Such good style (Fucking leather pants) and good music (not disco).

    I think Anime is def cliched.

    Noncliched-
    -Rahxephon
    -Cowboy Bebop
    -Samurai Champloo
    -Gungrave
    -Speed Grapher
    -Some others but I haven't seen them

 

 
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