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    boredgwntd is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Yah lots of the new anime and manga are very cliche, cause they like to follow the same format. Cause peopled liked the same old, same old. Same jokes and same repetitive actions get real boring into all genres. If you don't cliche just don't read shonens and shoujos cause thats what they are bascially about.

    There's only a couple of genres that has little or no cliche, in my opinion thats Slice of life and Seinen.
    Nodame Cantabile and Darker than black are two new anime titles that arent too cliche.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie1990 View Post
    I think the reason why the shounen manga you are referring to is so repetitive is because it doesn't have such a need to be innovative. This is because most people will probably grow out of it so it only needs to entertain and appear fresh to the newest generation of readers.
    Exactly. For young people, who are the target audience, these stories are still new. That applies for both boys and girls. However, I'm not suggesting this in a cynical way, as if the writers are simply lazy and recycling garbage. If I tell old stories or jokes to entertain a group of children is that so bad? They are perfectly good stories and jokes.

    I'll go further and say that old stories can still be entertaining even when you're not so young. Even something completely unoriginal can be admired for its execution. Of course new and innovative is very valuable, but novelty isn't everything. There's nothing wrong with cliche, so long as it's not *bad* and cliche.

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    Not so much anime but definately shoujo. I jsut watched some shoujo anime about some music school and my GOD every other second was a shoujo cliche!!! I was about to shoot the screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ichigo_blue View Post
    Not so much anime but definately shoujo. I jsut watched some shoujo anime about some music school and my GOD every other second was a shoujo cliche!!! I was about to shoot the screen.
    will you kindly tell me the title of that anime? I would gladly want to pissed myself out

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    the only anime i find cliche are harems steampunk and giant mech (not alot of sentai stuff for a while. romances are still a bit fresh with some of their ideas)

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    Anime has always seemed really cliché as a whole to me, you just need to dig deep and find the good stuff. Shonen animes usually start good but after a while fall into a pit of clichéness and can't escape.

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    because more often than not you have main characters (where most of the cliches are) who aren't that strong in the beginning of the manga/anime, it'd be overkill and boring to have them just rip through everyone of their opponents. Thus it goes into the training to get stronger phase.
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    The shounen and Shoujo genres are the most cliched genres. Their core they are basically the same story with different characters but the based is the same. The only ones that are different are the mangas/animes with a "Anti-Hero" main character, because having an anti-hero main charater, allows the mangaka to cross lines that they wouldn't be able to cross with a "typical" main character.

    Seinen, Jousei, Mature, adult, are the less cliched genres because in adult themed manga/animes doesn't have any boundaries thus allowing the mangaka/director to be more creative.

    Shounen: DBZ,NAruto,BLeach, D-grayman, EY21, OP, Black Cat, Beet, MAR, --->basically are the same manga with different characters but the core and premise is the same. I stopped watchin/reading this genre because of its cliché-ness, because its inevitable that U will scoff or be like "I've seen this before". A shounen has to be near perfect, for to watch or read it.

    Shoujo: this genre is the female equivalent to shounen.

    Anti-Hero main characters: Make up the best and more watchable animes/mangas--> Death Note, Berserk, Vagabond, Shamo.... i dont know why u dont see more mangas with those type of main characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    Shounen: DBZ,NAruto,BLeach, D-grayman, OP, Black Cat, --->basically are the same manga with different characters but the core and premise is the same. I stopped watchin/reading this genre because of its cliché-ness, because its inevitable that U will scoff or be like "I've seen this before". A shounen has to be near perfect, for to watch or read it.
    Yeah, I'll just analyze this with the ones I know. The fact that you have EXTREMELY different characters already makes them totally different manga. How Naruto would react in one situation is totally different from how Luffy, Ichigo, Allen or Train would react, and that leads to a different plot. Yes, the basic plot elements are the same, but you won't read any of those manga and think "I've seen this before", because you just won't. As for DBZ, it INSPIRED those manga. It's of a different generation. Additionally, from what I remember of watching it, it's completely different in execution, too.

    As for your shoujo thing, um, yeah - what I said for the shounen series, except for the fact that a lot of the characters are actually similar and that's why shoujo manga DO seem so similar. When you have unique shoujo manga like Fruits Basket, Ouran Koukou Host Club, Lovely Complex, Beauty Pop, or Crimson Hero... well, you have a good manga.

    Finally, seinen and josei manga can be just as formulaic as the others. Seinen manga are all either action of some sort involving a badass guy, or sex. Josei is usually sex and adult relationships. The only reason they're seen as good and unique is because some of the best manga EVER come from these categories, and they're very different (Berserk and Nana, for instance).

    Oh, and the anti-hero bit: The reason we don't see more of them in manga is because they're the equivalent of a shounen hero in Western society today. All the new popular shows, and even some of the older ones, feature anti-heroes (like Tony Soprano or House). Eventually, they'll grow just as boring and "cliche". Also, there are lines that an anti-hero can't cross, either. An anti-hero can't be a good character; Light or Guts has to STAY an anti-hero, because turning good is just not possible. At least shounen manga have that potential.

    So you like typical anti-heroes, and I like typical shounen heroes. Not much of a huge difference there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ichitanto View Post
    so want your feedback: cliched and repetitive or HOT and new?
    The longer someone sticks with reading manga and watching anime, the more they are likey to realize how repetitive an cliched most of the new offerings are. They've arguably had time to watch or read some of the best of the best offerings in each genre and their expectations towards new stories would be difficult for most writers to meet or exceed. Most would be out of a job if they were forced to upgrade their work product to target older and more jaded adults who may have been following anime an manga for 10+ years. It would push their talent an separate the unoriginal hacks from the gifted storytellers.

 

 
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