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    Yes, I know why Luffy fights people. His motivations, getting stronger and protecting weaklings, are good enough for him to fight anyone. But that doesn't explain the villains, which is where my problem with the series lies. In Kenshin, the villains were just as developed as the protagonists were. In One Piece, they really never get any history or character development unless they're "good" pseudo-villains.

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    and swords that I shoot from a bow,
    yes, swords that I shoot from a bow."

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    i understand, but you can't compare the two like this as the villains in Kenshin have been in relation with the hero for years (unless you are thinking about the juppongatana, the oniwabanshu (beside aoshi) or the guys under the command of Enishi, because those were not more developped than the average villain in OP), while the straw hats are always travelling and thus encounter new villains on the road ^^

    This said, Arlong, Crocodile and most other big villains are quite well developed and coherent even though they had the chance to encounter the straw hats only one time
    Just look at the latest archetypal villain we have seen in OP, aka Black Beard : he is no less developed than most characters in kenshin even though we are not going to see him fight the heroes for a very long time ^^"

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    The villains in Rurouni Kenshin are much deeper than the ones in One Piece, and their motivations are better written. The Kyoto arc and the Revenge arc were both fantastic...some of the best shonen I've ever read.

    One Piece is...blech. I really have a hard time getting into it. It's too formulaic and I can't care about any of the characters.

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    Crocodile well-developed? What are you talking about? We know nothing about him at all, except that he used to be a pirate and then turned World Government/mafia. Shrieker from Bleach (you know, that random hollow that they fought in volume 2 with the bombs?) was as developed as that and he was a one-off villain. Bleach isn't known for its stunning character depth for the villains either.

    Uryuu freaky, pale and geeky,
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    "With gloves and scars and silver stars
    and swords that I shoot from a bow,
    yes, swords that I shoot from a bow."

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    Um... who gives it a shit? I really don't see why you think we need to know about the villians' pasts to make them good characters. We don't need to know Crocodile's past; he's just a villain that was did something bad and was defeated. What made him well-developed was that he managed to run a huge organization incognito, instigated civil war, while at the same time establishing himself as a national hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shautieh View Post
    i understand, but you can't compare the two like this as the villains in Kenshin have been in relation with the hero for years (unless you are thinking about the juppongatana, the oniwabanshu (beside aoshi) or the guys under the command of Enishi, because those were not more developped than the average villain in OP)
    Someone is in denial, Anji the monk, The blind turtle shell guy, The fast guy (Seems it is a time for a reread...) are all about 500x more developed than any OP villain (actually I just don't know how to type the infinity sign) Even trash enemies littered throughout RK are more developed than any major villain of OP.

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    how is the blind turtle shell guy and anji any more developed than say eneru? and crocodile? and buggy?

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    Because the had some generic sad past

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    Quote Originally Posted by stingy View Post
    Um... who gives it a shit? I really don't see why you think we need to know about the villians' pasts to make them good characters. We don't need to know Crocodile's past; he's just a villain that was did something bad and was defeated. What made him well-developed was that he managed to run a huge organization incognito, instigated civil war, while at the same time establishing himself as a national hero.
    Villains who lack interesting histories cannot easily be either sympathetic or unsympathetic. With a well developed sympathetic antagonist (Death Note was amazingly good at this) you feel mixed about the outcome, a part of you really feels that the villain shouldn't have lost. It's very emotionally effective. With a well developed unsympathetic antagonist you feel overjoyed at their defeat, even hate them for what they did, and it's again very emotionally effective. One Piece lacks either, its villains as a whole are very weak as characters and defined by little but a face, a power, and a joke. It's not a fatal flaw to the series, but it's a waste of plot potential and weakens the impact of the story.

    Edit: Anji had ideals, a brief past relationship with Sanosuke, and a real motive for fighting other than because he was t3h eb1l. Blind turtle guy was one of the least developed RK villains but even he had a real human motivation. Nobody in One Piece really ever has motives other than wanting money. Lucchi's personality could be summed up in the 3 words "bloodthirsty loyal agent" and he's probably the most developed villain so far in the entire series.
    Last edited by erachima; 02-22-2007 at 09:56 PM.

    Uryuu freaky, pale and geeky,
    how do your powers grow?
    "With gloves and scars and silver stars
    and swords that I shoot from a bow,
    yes, swords that I shoot from a bow."

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    Quote Originally Posted by erachima View Post
    With a well developed unsympathetic antagonist you feel overjoyed at their defeat, even hate them for what they did, and it's again very emotionally effective.
    What you said right here shows exactly what I meant. Crocodile's defeat was satisfying because he was a sadistic SOB that enjoyed to torture people mentally.

 

 
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