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    be0wulf is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Default Elfen Lied = suck

    *ACHTUNG! SPOILERS FOLLOW!*

    Since this sub-forum is in dire need of new topics...and I have nothing better to do, I shall recount my first encounter with the manga that we know as Elfen Lied.

    I first discovered EL whilst searching for YouTube videos of the Gantz anime (which is excellent, go watch). The first impression I got was actually one of a shonen supernatural action horror anime with a dash of romance. The animation style did not appear to be suitable for the ultraviolence which EL is now known for.

    Then I went on Wikipedia, and was deceived. Somehow I got the impression that the manga wasn't all that gory (I'd just finished a bout of Omanga scanlations and was in the mood for something less bloody >_>) Boy, was I mistaken.

    The first chapter of the manga wasn't exactly too bad. Typical seinen supernatural subject matter. Then Kisaragi (the secretary) appears, and because of the background information given on her I naturally assumed she was one of the major supporting characters (remember, I haven't exactly read the Wikipedia article in-depth). But alas...

    five panels later her head gets ripped off.

    I'm only on chapter 10, but already this manga is beginning to...piss me off, for lack of a better term. It plagiarizes other manga (Chobits, Monster, etc.), and the level of violence depicted (i.e. the number of victims) is somewhat overboard. Unlike Battle Royale, where the kids actually have a reason to kill each other, in EL the deaths come one after another, and the reader is hardly given enough time to adjust before another "NPC" is dead from having his or her head removed from the body.

    I actually received quite a number of recommendations regarding this manga (both from this forum and others I frequent), but it's been quite a let-down. I think I'll go back to waiting for Gantz now...

    although in the meantime I'll probably continue reading since nothing is being released ATM.


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    The characters for the first few chapters aren't all that relevant(those that get killed easily), well, at least in my point of view.

    So it's okay to get their heads or any other body parts chopped off. It was quite misleading the first time I encountered this series. So I can kinda relate to what you are saying ^^.

    Just continue giving it a read. Soon enough you'll have time to actually get to know the characters. As the chapters progress, so does the characters lifespan(although it doesn't mean they won't get their bodies sedated ^^).

    I'm looking forward to reading the manga ending, instead of the anime. The ending for the anime was quite...well...meh. It left alot of questions at hand, and didn't really bring a closure to the story.

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    I got introduced to it by way of Dan Kim, so I sort of knew what to expect, read nana's everyday life by the way, it's a great webcomic:


    http://manga.clone-army.org/nana.php




    Gantz is also pretty random with the people who die, and it confuses things even more by allowing people to be resurrected. The violence is actually pretty funny (and relevant) after a while, especially with the people who survive, they all become "damaged" in some way (physically or mentally), it sort of defines the story.
    Last edited by adonai; 01-09-2007 at 11:41 PM.

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    Yeah, but with Gantz their deaths have a purpose...

    And that webcomic is harsh emo. And loli. I think I'll go cut my wrists with my lolipillow now.


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    Read more then you will get to know why actualy lucy kills people and stuff like that. Its getting quite interesting later but at beginning its just hmm aimless killing or so it was. I read some spoilers on other forum and it seems that the manga has a somehow a tragic ending yet with happy moments. I actualy liked anime and manga. Especialy the anime cementary fight XD i was watching it around 1am with lights off so it was quite hmmm scary at the moment (especialy for me and people who doesnt like/watch horrors movies and stuff like that, "saw" etc)

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    Yeah, read more and you come to undestanding Lucy and might eventually fall in love with her (I swear I know such person). But be wary! There is some serious H into it, so when time comes, don't be surprised.
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    I didnt saw any hentai in manga but i just read it until hmm the aperance of the little girl (hmm forgot her name but she had like 16 arms).
    Dunno meaby later but i didnt read raws and later scanlations.

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    If your looking for a manga without violence, you&#180;re completely wrong with reading Elfen Lied. The art may seem childish, but Elfen Lied isn&#180;t. Remember Battle Royale, which art is also childish.

    Many people die without purpose you&#180;re right, but if you don&#180;t like that, why do you like Gantz?

    Yeah, but with Gantz their deaths have a purpose...
    Just wrong. Deaths in Gantz make no sense. People die randomly in Gantz and it often destroys some developments in the plot. Some Characters seem to be important for the plot but then just die (Akira, Izumi, etc.). Civilists get involved in the fights. Izumi starts a killing spree in Shinjuku. So which purpose do these deaths have? I say just to entertain the reader. It&#180;s just like Elfen Lied.

    But I have to say, if you&#180;re looking for a romance manga, you&#180;re still right with Elfen Lied, especially the Anime. I haven&#180;t read the manga yet, but I can say that the anime is very romantic, although it&#180;s sometimes too sweet.

    Unlike Battle Royale, where the kids actually have a reason to kill each other, in EL the deaths come one after another, and the reader is hardly given enough time to adjust before another "NPC" is dead from having his or her head removed from the body
    I wonder if you have just watched the (shitty) Gantz anime or also read the manga. Because this little passage I quoted above, exactly fits to Gantz. That would explain some of your statements. The anime and the manga are actually very different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Zi Faah View Post
    Just wrong. Deaths in Gantz make no sense. People die randomly in Gantz and it often destroys some developments in the plot. Some Characters seem to be important for the plot but then just die (Akira, Izumi, etc.). Civilists get involved in the fights. Izumi starts a killing spree in Shinjuku. So which purpose do these deaths have? I say just to entertain the reader. Itīs just like Elfen Lied..
    Izumi died because Oku couldn't come up with an EPW, I suspect, and because his character arc was complete. Akira probably isn't dead.

    Sure, a ton of bystanders die, but the main character deaths aren't that random.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Zi Faah View Post
    If your looking for a manga without violence, youīre completely wrong with reading Elfen Lied. The art may seem childish, but Elfen Lied isnīt. Remember Battle Royale, which art is also childish.
    How the hell was the art of BR childish?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Zi Faah View Post
    Many people die without purpose youīre right, but if you donīt like that, why do you like Gantz?
    Because the earlier Gantz chapters were actually original. And the premise of the story was good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Zi Faah View Post
    Just wrong. Deaths in Gantz make no sense. People die randomly in Gantz and it often destroys some developments in the plot. Some Characters seem to be important for the plot but then just die (Akira, Izumi, etc.). Civilists get involved in the fights. Izumi starts a killing spree in Shinjuku. So which purpose do these deaths have? I say just to entertain the reader. Itīs just like Elfen Lied.
    Izumi killed innocent bystanders because he wanted to get into Gantz again. As mentioned before, Akira's death is not certain (check the Gantz sub-forum if you don't believe me; there was a huge argument about that awhile back). As for EL, the secretary at the beginning was killed for no good reason, IMO. I even thought she was a main character >_>

    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Zi Faah View Post
    But I have to say, if youīre looking for a romance manga, youīre still right with Elfen Lied, especially the Anime. I havenīt read the manga yet, but I can say that the anime is very romantic, although itīs sometimes too sweet.
    Which reminds me, one reason EL is so...weird...is that the scene change happens too randomly. One second whatsername and whatsisface are in a bout of Suzuka-esque angst, and suddenly everything transcends into t3h ultraviolence. Like Nana (?) getting all four of her limbs ripped off. At least in other such manga the gore is fairly evenly spread out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Zi Faah View Post
    I wonder if you have just watched the (shitty) Gantz anime or also read the manga. Because this little passage I quoted above, exactly fits to Gantz. That would explain some of your statements. The anime and the manga are actually very different.
    I both watched the anime and read the manga.


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