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    Default Who's the Girl? [spoilers]

    Here, I'm referring to the mysterious girl that appears in book 9 story α.
    Rumors say that she possibly is a slider from a parallel world.
    Assuming that's true, who do you think her "parallel" in the current world?

    Well, I myself have 2 theories about her based on the conversation with Kyon on the phone. It's either Yoshimura Miyoko (Miyokichi) or Kyon's sister.

    Here's the clue:
    "But it is alright. I am only planning to say hi to you. Your younger sister is so cute! I want a sister just like her! Arithmetic drills~...... Hehe, so cute."
    The underlined phrase is exactly what Kyon's sister says whenever she asks his assistance for math homework!

    Check this!
    "Ah, Kyon-kun, you have to help me with my homework after you get out of the bath. Arith~matic~ drill~~ nn~~"
    One who knows that must be close to Kyon's sister or is Kyon's sister herself!
    So, what do you think?
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    Off topic: Ah headache too much pata pata pata pon :S... :P

    On topic: you should post *SPOILERS* on the threa title or in your 1st post

    So people who haven't reed the novels know they're reading spoilers from vlume 9

    Anywayz alot of people also assume that the person who Kyon miscounted during club recruiting in the alpha world might be the same silder who talked to kyon over the phone.

    Assuming that's true then the silder is at around 15-16 years old

    Assuming that the silder is either Kyon's sister or Yoshimura Miyoko then in their parallel world Kyon's sister was either born much earlier in their timeline or their parallel world happen to be (i dunno) about 8-10 years ahead of Kyon's current world, depending on Kyon'sister's age.

    Although assuming the person over the phone is kyon's sister from another dimension, why doesn't Kyon regconize her voice? The author could added something like Kyon felt the voice was familiar but was unsure who it was.

    I'm curious why Kyon's sister in the Parallel dimension would want a sister when she hear heralpha world counter part.

    If we're gonna assume that the voice over the phone happens to have a close relationship with Kyon from the parallel world it could be anybody.

    It could be Kyonko :P lol... since she wanta sister but happens to have a brother lol.

    well we know this much, it can't be someone he's currently familiar with so we can exclude the following female characters

    Haruhi
    Mikuru
    Yuki
    Tsuruya
    Sasaki
    Kyou
    Kyoko
    (anyone else I'm missing)

    Who does that leave?

    Kyon's sister, Yoshimura Miyoko, & maybe the maid from Lone Island.

    What I found interesting was that the person over the phone was familiar with Kyon, so it's possible it another person from the future that Kyon has yet to know but the alpha and beta world strongly suggest Silders.

    It could be timetravel, but the author decided to tell both stories in parallel.

    EG - In the Beta World Kyon gets caught up in the paranormal and something Disaterous happens (eg -Sasaki obtains God Powers) so he allied with a yet to be known character in the beta world and got them to make a phone call to Kyon in the past preventing his meeting with Sasaki... ... ... maybe but the time travel stuff has already been done, repeating it might make the series boring.

    *shrugs* ah well... just my 2 cents



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    ^IT HAS TO BE KYONKO!!! LOL! nah as much as I want to. She can't be T_T

    anyway I also think its the slider girl. As for the Miyoko-girl. Shes too young to be the person as Knite describe. From the look of it. Kyon did describe her as a person who needs a guardian to go to a movie theatre so she should be around the age of an Elementary student.

    and when the world split. It was supposed to be an exact copy of each other except for the phone call that Kyon received. So everything should be exactly the same from the time before everything went on their different paths. So Miyoko shouldn't have been born earlier.

    anyway I have to reread it again as I was confuse as hell when I first read it and I was planning on rereading it again but have never got the time to do so.

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    Maybe it's Ryōko Asakura and Kyon just forgot about her since she's dead... well it's kinda hard to tell whether a alien is dead or not... lol...

    She came back to haunt Kyon lol...



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    Quote Originally Posted by _Vincent_ View Post
    anyway I also think its the slider girl. As for the Miyoko-girl. Shes too young to be the person as Knite describe. From the look of it. Kyon did describe her as a person who needs a guardian to go to a movie theatre so she should be around the age of an Elementary student.

    and when the world split. It was supposed to be an exact copy of each other except for the phone call that Kyon received. So everything should be exactly the same from the time before everything went on their different paths. So Miyoko shouldn't have been born earlier.

    anyway I have to reread it again as I was confuse as hell when I first read it and I was planning on rereading it again but have never got the time to do so.
    Well, Miyoko can easily fake her age you know? Check this quote from book 8!
    Even one year ago, Miyokichi had such an adult-like appearance, that you wouldn't think she was my little sister's classmate. Her height made me skeptical about how she could be a light eater, her figure was good, the expressions you would suddenly see on her were good, and it was all at such an extent that she looked about as grown-up as Asahina-san.
    Even a year before she already looked like Kyon's upperclassman.
    By then one would hardly believe that she actually is a grade schooler.

    Well, that doesn't kill the possibility for 'that girl' to be Kyon's sister since we can't be sure that sliding to parallel world will actually send one to an exactly parallel time frame.
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    the idea that The possibly silder girl is Kyon's sister has been put out there for quite a long time but there isn't enough evidence to support it.

    I'm personally a little bit skeptical about it.

    If it's Kyon's sister why does she sounds so old?

    and if she from some very warped parellel dimension, I still don't see the connection with the current world.

    Miyokichi is probably a better guess... but it begs the question how she got invloved with Kyon and his paranormal adventures and how did she learn about Haruhi because in the end everything is related to Haruhi.

    but if we assume that the silder girl over the phone and the extra person who that tries to join the SOS bridage are the same person then that decreases her chances of being the silder unless you add some extra conditions that haven't yet been mentioned in the story

    ie
    = Miyokichi was born earlier in her dimension, therefore she'd older
    = Time moves faster in her Dimenion
    = a combination of time travel & Silding...etc

    but it is interesting that she'd mentioned in book 8, a foreshadow maybe?

    but then again, we had no idea about sasaki until she was introduced in book 9, no mention of her in the pervious 8 volumes, not to my memory anywayz.

    There's a HUGE chance it's a new characters... that's where I'm leaning.

    but the biggest mystery is if the silders do exist, why didn't they contact kyon 1 year ago, haruhi did clearly mention she wanted to meet Aliens, Espers, Time Travellers & Sliders.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuutobi Motarou View Post
    Well, Miyoko can actually fake her age you know? Check this quote from book 8!Even a year before she already looked like Kyon's upperclassman.
    By then one would hardly believe that she actually is a grade schooler.

    Well, that doesn't kill the possibility for 'that girl' to be Kyon's sister since we can't be sure that sliding to parallel world will actually send one to an exactly parallel time frame.
    Mikuru doesn't look anything like an upperclassman. I bet Mikuru is actually younger than Kyon. She was just enrolled at the same year as Tsuruya for some reason that could be explained later on.
    Quote Originally Posted by kniteowl
    but then again, we had no idea about sasaki until she was introduced in book 9, no mention of her in the pervious 8 volumes, not to my memory anywayz.
    Sasaki was mentioned in the novel but her name was never said. Kunikida only referred to her as Kyon's Middle school girlfriend. She was describe by Kunikida as being "different/weird" because he was telling Taniguchi of Kyon's weiord taste on girls.
    There's a HUGE chance it's a new characters... that's where I'm leaning.

    but the biggest mystery is if the silders do exist, why didn't they contact kyon 1 year ago, haruhi did clearly mention she wanted to meet Aliens, Espers, Time Travellers & Sliders.
    Maybe... just maybe. Haruhi was already content on having Kyon, Yuki, Mikuru and Koizumi in her brigade at that time. Koizumi wouldn't have shown up if she didn't suddenly decides to go and suggest that there should be a "Mysterious transfer student" to be enlisted.

    So at the start of the New year. Haruhi must be feeling for a new meeting/encounter. Maybe that triggered it and summoned a slider and at the same time. Split the world into to two.

    Funny on how the split began with Kyon and not with Haruhi (Kyon receiving a phone call).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vin
    Sasaki was mentioned in the novel but her name was never said. Kunikida only referred to her as Kyon's Middle school girlfriend. She was describe by Kunikida as being "different/weird" because he was telling Taniguchi of Kyon's weiord taste on girls.
    oh yeah it was in volume 8 wasn't it?

    Whe Kyon had to write a romance short story and need advice on how to write a romance.



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    Quote Originally Posted by kniteowl View Post
    the idea that The possibly silder girl is Kyon's sister has been put out there for quite a long time but there isn't enough evidence to support it.

    I'm personally a little bit skeptical about it.

    If it's Kyon's sister why does she sounds so old?
    I myself didn't had the idea of she as Kyon's sister until I found this part!
    Eh? I haven't heard this voice before, but her tone and style of speaking seems very similar to someone else's. But no matter how hard I search in the recording stores of my brain, I'm still unable to find it. I only felt that it is a voice with a childish tone sounding like that of my younger sister.
    BTW, Kyon himself said that she sounded childish, why'd you say she sounds old?!
    Quote Originally Posted by kniteowl View Post
    ie
    = Miyokichi was born earlier in her dimension, therefore she'd older
    = a combination of time travel & Silding...etc
    Those two conditions are highly possible. Though before I go on, please check this conversation between Kyon & Asahina-san (adult) from book 7.
    "Kyon-kun, please think carefully. Whether it be a few years ago or a few decades ago, if you could go back to the past..."

    She carefully chose her words,

    "And witness history in the making. Yet when that history is different from what you remember, what would you do?"

    "What do you mean by 'different?'" I didn't understand what she was getting at.

    "Let's say if you went back to one year ago today, what were you doing then?"

    Probably shut up in my room playing video games. I don't remember getting giddy over someone sending me chocolates then.

    Asahina-san nodded her head slightly,

    "Now try to imagine a situation that's different from that version of the past. When you travel back to your home one year ago, but find that you weren't living there. Instead of your sister or your parents, the place was now occupied by another family. Even your relatives have become different from the ones which you knew, living a totally different life in another place..."
    Isn't it possible that "that different history" is actually a frame of different timeline? Or should I say that she might also slided to different timeline?!
    Quote Originally Posted by kniteowl View Post
    but then again, we had no idea about sasaki until she was introduced in book 9, no mention of her in the pervious 8 volumes, not to my memory anywayz.
    Her existence's already been mentioned in book 1! Don't you remember Kunikida said something like "Kyon-kun always likes weird girls."?
    Quote Originally Posted by kniteowl View Post
    There's a HUGE chance it's a new characters... that's where I'm leaning.
    Though, even the tiniest bit of chance means that thing is possible
    Quote Originally Posted by kniteowl View Post
    but the biggest mystery is if the silders do exist, why didn't they contact kyon 1 year ago, haruhi did clearly mention she wanted to meet Aliens, Espers, Time Travellers & Sliders.
    Oh well! Nagato, Asahina, & Koizumi quickly approach Kyon as soon as he become close enough to Haruhi. So, why didn't Tachibana Kyoko do the same thing 2 years before when Kyon & Sasaki were always together? She had to have certain reason(s) to do so, same goes to the sliders.
    Pretty rational, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuu
    Eh? I haven't heard this voice before, but her tone and style of speaking seems very similar to someone else's. But no matter how hard I search in the recording stores of my brain, I'm still unable to find it. I only felt that it is a voice with a childish tone sounding like that of my younger sister.
    BTW, Kyon himself said that she sounded childish, why'd you say she sounds old?!
    Fair enough, you got me there but the voice sounding like his sister doesn't mean it is his sister.

    I had the perception that since she calls Kyon " Senpai" later on in the conversation, I expected her to be at a high school student, possibly even a middle school student, therefore I expected her to have a more mature voice for her age, but there are girls out there in high school with childish voices I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuu
    Isn't it possible that "that different history" is actually a frame of different timeline? Or should I say that she might also slided to different timeline?!
    Yeah it is possible that's what silders do, don't they? But whether ot not Miyokichi is a silder?... I dunno, I personally wouldn't bet my money on her.

    But if you talking about whether or not Big Asahina has travelled to different/alternate timeframes.

    Then she technically already has, the event where Yuki changed the world on December 18th, Asahina went back in time to help save Kyon after he was stabbed by Asakura.

    Whether or not Assahina has travelled or silded to other alternate timeframe, is chances are very likely but still unknown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuu
    Her existence's already been mentioned in book 1! Don't you remember Kunikida said something like "Kyon-kun always likes weird girls."?
    That's open to interpretation, when I reed it, I thought it was Kunikida's perception of Kyon's preference for girls.

    Even though consciously Kyon would prefer a romantic relationship with Asahina, unconsciously he may have romantic feelings for Haruhi.

    I personally don't think Sasaki was mentioned until Volume 8 when they went into a little more detail about Kyon's past relationships.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuu
    Though, even the tiniest bit of chance means that thing is possible
    In that case anything and everything is possible... I would prefer the silder girl to be someone unexpected that would suprise me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuu
    Oh well! Nagato, Asahina, & Koizumi quickly approach Kyon as soon as he become close enough to Haruhi. So, why didn't Tachibana Kyoko do the same thing 2 years before when Kyon & Sasaki were always together? She had to have certain reason(s) to do so, same goes to the sliders.
    That's assuming Kyon was important to the opposing Esper faction back then. If he was important, why did they let Kyon & Sasaki get seperated then ask him to join them 1 year later in volume 9? wouldn't it be logical just to keep them together?

    but since Kyon was seperated from Sasaki, they never consider Kyon a factor, well that's just my speculation.

    but I do agree with Vin, the silder probably didn't appear til now because Haruhi didn't feel it was the right time for them to join. I mean Koizumi only joined the SOS brigade becuase he was a mysterious transfer student and he happened to be coinsodentially a esper and Kyon happened to guess correctly, he could've easily been the silder :P lol.



 

 

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