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    Am I the only one who didn't really enjoy this whole fight? I'm not saying it was bad, it was much better than most shounen fights, but imo it was dragged far too long and wasn't all that interesting compared to other fights in Negima. Neither Rakan nor Negi showed anything exciting or original. Only the tactical side of this fight was really good.

    Rakan is just an OP fistfighter that can conjure blades from thin air (there is a ton of such characters) and Negi's ME was only making him faster and faster witch each chapter. Nothing creative here. Negi's artifact is plain OP and boring too. It's just a reuse of already existing artifacts, and imo it's very unfair for his team that he can use all of their artifacts.

    What wories me the most is that fights in Negima are all about magic kung-fu now. There are so many interesting ways to use magic in combat, yet all strongest mages in MSN seems to be martial artists. Where are all the ranged magic specialists, demonologists, summonners, necromancers, DOT'ers and such? It's all about magical punching right now.

    And Negi surpassing Eva in ME is stupid beyond reason. 10 years old kid after one month of training surpassed a shinso vampire who spended 10 years developing ME and then used it for centuries... I hope it turns out that scroll Eva was created right after real Eva developed ME and don't have any memories beyond that.

    Maybe I'm exaggerating but I really think vol. 27 is by far the weakest in all MSN. And it's a shame since I really love this manga. Hopefully it'll get better in next chapters.

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    IMHO it was a lot better... and it wasn't too long at all...

    it was actually it is creative for negi to make all that tactic and use all his ability even though he is way weaker than rakan. and ME make's him moves faster, and then think faster too. but isn't that only because he take in lightning (which emphisize on speed)?? what happen if he take in other type of magic i wonder?? like gravity..

    and for his artifact, even if he can use all artifact it doesn't mean he can use it as good as everybody else, i meant can he draw better than paru (or make that faster than paru), can he read a dozen book at once without getting dizzy like honya, can he use every info that available and make combat strategy better than yue, can he hack, does he know where the best info, blablabla.....

    i've never actually see the stronggest mage done a long fight in this manga at all, cause every time that happen it comes with a powerfull type of magic and it happen so quickly. but we did see the use of a very huge magical mine, magical deamon seal, eva dealthly frozen attack, summoning via card (which remind me why didn't negi just try summon yue? she is in ostia), a multiple magic barrier, a deamon species, range magic that can kill robot and isn't kagetaro is a range magic specialist?? cause the way i see it he only good when fighting at long distance, and blablabla

    And Negi surpassing Eva in ME is stupid beyond reason. 10 years old kid after one month of training surpassed a shinso vampire who spended 10 years developing ME and then used it for centuries... I hope it turns out that scroll Eva was created right after real Eva developed ME and don't have any memories beyond that.
    IMHO that is because negi is not the one who does ME R&D, eva did that, and from what i know about eva, she probably done it alone and that would take time (this is also remind me, where does chao learn ME from?? haa.... chao. i miss her). negi just learn and develope it from what he learn from scroll eva, he is a boy genius in the case of development (rakan said so).
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    Quote Originally Posted by salvadorfranz View Post
    just... Yugioh? why not just include every single shounen battle manga out there? : /

    and why did it have to be... ok guys say it with me: "children's card game"
    EXODIA: OBLITERATE!!!! was pretty fucking balls-to-the-walls awesome. Not gonna lie, Naruto v Sasuke was badass in the anime, Teresa v Priscilla (though this is more seinen...), Ryoma v Sanada, Ryoma v Akaya (well, pretty much EVERY interaction between Rikkai and Seigaku in Prince of Tennis), and a lotta One Piece can compete. Sanada v Ryoma was fucking amazing. Hell, I actually thought Negi v Chao was better (not saying much considering I'm a kissass of the festival arc as a whole).

    And Negi surpassing Eva in ME is stupid beyond reason. 10 years old kid after one month of training surpassed a shinso vampire who spended 10 years developing ME and then used it for centuries... I hope it turns out that scroll Eva was created right after real Eva developed ME and don't have any memories beyond that.
    Could have sworn I posted the exact same thing in another thread. Like... essentially word for word that this was likely the case... great, now I just found something to respond to.
    (after searching for it, iirc mistblaze addressed it and shot it to shit, but i can't find either post to refute or anything... teh sads)

    Oh, and no, it didn't drag on. This is what a real fight looks like. What would you consider a valid alternative... Bleach fighting where one chapter of "combat" is actually... at best 20 seconds of reading material and 10 or so animated?

    DoT'er? Really? Nagi, aka strongest mage in the entirety of both worlds, classified himself as a mage. Rakan isn't a martial artist, he's a brawler. Eva is probably the biggest example of "ranged magic specialist" in the entire series. That Ariadne lady classified herself as a magic specialist, too. And no, Nagi is NOT a martial artist just because he can actually fight for himself without magic. The whole reason behind Negi's learning Chinese kenpo is that he's learning to fight solo like Nagi. No shit it's about "magic punching" as you put it; he's against the biggest puncher out there.

    Negi's use of Magia Erebea to speed himself up was a necessity more than a lack of creativity on Akamatsu's part. Okay, he buffs himself with fire. Then what? Rakan was able to fight against Negi's Chilipl Astrape speedup (telephone thing aside, he was still fast enough to go against the absurd speed in the first place). Fire was already said to be an offensive buffer, and what point is there in getting stronger if you can't land a punch in the first place?
    Idk how it would be stupid for him to surpass (phantom) Eva in Magia Erebea, either. As Ivanov (and I guess Jack, lol) pointed out, Negi is an R&D genius. On top of that, he had Eva to consult during his preparation, and thus access to all her experiences regarding the theories behind Magia Erebea in the first place.

    As for his artifact... okay fine, I can see where you're coming from that it's too buff. But then you have: 1) it DOES fit who he's become taking help from the group. This'd be an extension of that. 2) It's temporary. 3) We don't know all the rules behind it in the first place (ie: if Negi has Asuna's sword/harisen out, can she use it too?). 4) He couldn't use Konoka's artifact, which would by and far be the single most overpowered thing EVER if it weren't for the time limit.
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    This feels like a rant, which I haven't done in a long time. God it feels good.

    edit: no idea what in the hell a Shinso vampire is, but considering that Eva's a high daylight walker, she's still absurdly strong in her own right. Just because Negi got better at using a useless technique than she was capable of doesn't actually mean anything. Besides, the efficiency of Negi's plan is something to consider... can't exactly pin Eva down when she can turn into bats/instantly freeze your ass in ice for 10 years without an incantation (Negi/Asuna v Eva training before leaving for Wales).
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    Could have sworn I posted the exact same thing in another thread. Like... essentially word for word that this was likely the case... great, now I just found something to respond to.
    (after searching for it, iirc mistblaze addressed it and shot it to shit, but i can't find either post to refute or anything... teh sads)
    don't be sad. i could've sworn that i read it somewhere.


    Eva is probably the biggest example of "ranged magic specialist" in the entire series.
    the way i see it she is a mage type too (a dark one). the closest "ranged magic specialist" character right now is kagetarou and for a lower lavel "ranged magic specialist" character is that strippers sister from mahora. the shadow sword somehow gives the feeling that it's better when used at madium or long distances

    2) It's temporary. ..... . 4) He couldn't use Konoka's artifact, which would by and far be the single most overpowered thing EVER if it weren't for the time limit.
    point 2) actually if he make another pactio it probably gives the same artifact. and like i said on the previous post even if he can use all the girls pactios, he couldn't use it better than how the girls use it
    point 4) when was it state that he couldn't use it. if i'm not mistaken kotaro told him to used it and negi told him he will do it his way.

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    My 2 cents. Racan did say Negi was TOO compatible for ME, and Negi is in a pretty crappy situation, which would probably make him feel more "dark" emotions. Meanwhile, Negi has always been the type to combine, create, and invent techniques + strategies. (like using the time travel as a combative tool, his fight against Takamichi, many fights against Fate) So it is feasible for him to surpass Eva in ME, even if it were the current Eva. However, just surpassing Eva in ME does not mean anything in regard to all other battle aspects...

    I found Negi's pactio to be fitting, as each person's pactio fits their personality. (e.g. Al and his obsession of journals and studying humans, Racan and his outright brawling style, Honya and her reading obsession, Yue and her interest in magic along with her comprehension of things, Asuna and her lineage/ability, Konoka and her kindness, etc etc etc...)

    Negi suits his pactio as he depends on his team and their abilities. He is also the type that dosent do brawls, but rather utilizes every single ability he has along with strategic planning. Him having a flexible artifact is much more fitting than many artifacts I can think of.

    Overall, I found MSN to be excellent, in terms of consistency, enjoyability, mixed genres, transition, and etc... I honestly anticipate each chapter with renewed energy and excitement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivanov_2020 View Post
    point 2) actually if he make another pactio it probably gives the same artifact. and like i said on the previous post even if he can use all the girls pactios, he couldn't use it better than how the girls use it
    point 4) when was it state that he couldn't use it. if i'm not mistaken kotaro told him to used it and negi told him he will do it his way.
    I wondered that a while ago, about #2, and juts went with that conclusion, too.

    Got me on #4 though.

    edit: was just re-reading trying to find where Negi said he wouldn't use Konoka's heal and I realized: Rakan fought the ultimate lightning monster thing god when they were trying to rescue Arika from her dungeon.
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    @tfs08933: IMHO rakan see dark in negi because negi worried too much. people who worried too much mean they take everything (problem, issue, etc) in him. and in this manga it's kind of like when negi's face turn serious (see ch 200 page 9)

    offtopic: for those who have that type of problem and can't handle it by themself i suggest talk to a friend or somebody... make sure u didn't end up with a bullet in your head. and if you can handle it then be greatfull for u have the dark power within u. sorry for the wierd comment i just watch house and found out that kutner killed himself.

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    edit: was just re-reading trying to find where Negi said he wouldn't use Konoka's heal and I realized:
    it's ch 246 page 8.
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    Rakan fought the ultimate lightning monster thing god when they were trying to rescue Arika from her dungeon.
    he did??? when was that??

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxsaznpride View Post
    Oh, and no, it didn't drag on. This is what a real fight looks like. What would you consider a valid alternative... Bleach fighting where one chapter of "combat" is actually... at best 20 seconds of reading material and 10 or so animated?
    I dropped Bleach long ago, and that should be enought to show how much I like Bleach fights. My point is, this fight could have been done in half the number of chapters it was, and the space saved in this manner could have been used to show us something really important like Asuna's memories or what Mana and Takamichi are doing in MW. It would be far more interesting IMHO.

    Quote Originally Posted by xxsaznpride View Post
    DoT'er? Really? Nagi, aka strongest mage in the entirety of both worlds, classified himself as a mage. Rakan isn't a martial artist, he's a brawler. Eva is probably the biggest example of "ranged magic specialist" in the entire series. That Ariadne lady classified herself as a magic specialist, too. And no, Nagi is NOT a martial artist just because he can actually fight for himself without magic. The whole reason behind Negi's learning Chinese kenpo is that he's learning to fight solo like Nagi. No shit it's about "magic punching" as you put it; he's against the biggest puncher out there.
    Eva use close range attacks just as often that long range ones. "Ranged magic specialist" is somebody like WoW mages who have 0 close range skills and rely on mobility and snares to nuke enemies from safe distance. And if you are against "the biggest puncher out there" don't you think it's suicide to fight him using fists? Especially if you have the speed to keep away from him and sword that can cancel all his ranged attacks. The fact Negi almost beat him in close combat make it even more ridiculous.

    Quote Originally Posted by ivanov_2020 View Post
    isn't kagetaro is a range magic specialist?? cause the way i see it he only good when fighting at long distance
    Yeah he can be classified as one, but he's not amongst the strongest (at least so it seems right now) and I find his use of magic very uncreative. He just create shadow tentacles then create more shadow tentacles and then create even more shadow tentacles. His ability have really great potential tho and I hope we'll see him do something interesting in the future.

    BTW anybody else think that Kagetaro may in truth be this girl that appeared in vol. 19 flashback? After all we never saw his face, and that girl have shadowy familiar with her. It would be funny if "he" turns out to be Takane's mother :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iromaru View Post
    My point is, this fight could have been done in half the number of chapters it was, and the space saved in this manner could have been used to show us something really important like Asuna's memories or what Mana and Takamichi are doing in MW. It would be far more interesting IMHO.
    meaning: you just couldn't wait to know what happen to asuna, takahata and gunslinger girl. so does many others who read this manga. it's why people keep buying it. u just have to wait....

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    Quote Originally Posted by salvadorfranz View Post
    just... Yugioh? why not just include every single shounen battle manga out there? : /

    and why did it have to be... ok guys say it with me: "children's card game"
    why Yugioh? because of Negi's artifact of course

    Quote Originally Posted by xxsaznpride View Post
    Could have sworn I posted the exact same thing in another thread. Like... essentially word for word that this was likely the case... great, now I just found something to respond to.
    (after searching for it, iirc mistblaze addressed it and shot it to shit, but i can't find either post to refute or anything... teh sads)
    I think I remember something like that but not sure.. but keep in mind that as you and ivanov say Negi didn't invent ME, Eva did and Negi just followed her instructions and then finished that last bit of the research that she didn't finish, it's not like Negi invented ME from scratch..

    Quote Originally Posted by xxsaznpride View Post
    Oh, and no, it didn't drag on. This is what a real fight looks like. What would you consider a valid alternative... Bleach fighting where one chapter of "combat" is actually... at best 20 seconds of reading material and 10 or so animated?
    yeah the fight was only.. what 5 chapters? and half of that was the flashback with Ako anyway, if there is an award for battle chapter with the highest amount of dialogue MSN will always win it.. most other manga in fights become something like this:
    page 1: punch
    page 2: shove
    page 3: !!
    page 4-5: RAAAAAGH
    page 6: ungh
    etc

    Quote Originally Posted by xxsaznpride View Post
    Eva is probably the biggest example of "ranged magic specialist" in the entire series.
    ever since Eva showed up in the battle with Sukuna (hell even since the first time she jumped Negi in vol3), I always felt that Eva prefers to leave the physical work to her partners/puppets while she stands back and blasts away with spells..

    about the fight with Rakan, I think that Rakan was lucky that his partner Kagetarou was actually as strong as he was, cause if he really was some 750 level idiot.. Negi would've had access to ensis exorcizans when he used raiten taisou two which adds up to unblockable chopping death..

    oh and by the way, did anyone notice the surprise on Akira and Natsumi when Ako called out to warn Negi?
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